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What Venus and Serena could do to help working class blacks

They're not my favourite players but I do see them as role models cos they're not only black they're successful. I think cos they came from the ghetto they could help other blacks in the ghetto. I realise this is a sensitive topic but I do think it's important so please don't take offence especially you Dawn and Jakeev.

Venus and Serena could not only have tennis seminars but they could serve as mentors so to speak to underprivileged blacks. Venus and Serena could teach these blacks the importance of work ethics, social etiquette, birth control and discipline. This cycle of being victims needs to stop cos it's the mentality of victimisation that has ruined the lives of many working class blacks.

I know Venus and Serena do loads of charity work but I think they need to focus on poor blacks. They can emphasise the things that gave them the strength to succeed in tennis and get out of poverty and the ghetto.

I apologise if anyone takes offence but I believe this is important.

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Toineefa, your post indicates that you are somewhat detached.......
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Re: What Venus and Serena could do to help working class blacks

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they could serve as mentors so to speak to underprivileged blacks. Venus and Serena could teach these blacks the importance of work ethics, social etiquette, birth control and discipline. This cycle of being victims needs to stop cos it's the mentality of victimisation that has ruined the lives of many working class blacks.
Nobody suggests that Tim Henman does this for poor kids in Moss Side, I dont see why V+S should be expected to just because they share the same skin colour; they´re tennis players not politicians, and, whatsmore only kids themselves.

I do see your point, but its the responsibility of everyone to educate and be educated on these matters, and should be dealt with by existing social structures; families, the government, churches, schools and so on. Not a pair of millionairess tennis players who do all their shopping on the internet (dont take that as an anti-Williams dig, guys, I´m fan).
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Toineefa, your suggestions show just how little you know about Venus and Serena. How do you know that they don't already do these things. If you don't know something, then how can you comment about it. It kind of makes you look silly. No, actually, it makes you look silly as hell. Why don't you do a little Venus and Serena research before you make such suggestions. BTW, what can Martina Hingis do to help poor little SwissKids?

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Here are some truths beyond the stereotypes:

Did you know that the majority race in the USA were getting more pregnant than the minority race in the past 15 years or so? The black girls were more likely than so to give birth of their child than choose abortion. They were also less likely to give their child up for adoption. So this assumption is misleading.

Did you also know that more white people were on welfare than black people? Yet, the image of welfare is 99% of the time shown in the media as a black woman with three or more kids.

What about the topic of stealing? It's ironic how as they say "those blacks are living off the system and living free off our hard-earned money." Yet, the Enrons, the S&Ls, the corporate raiders, the banks, the Wall Street analysts, the credit card issurers, and so on have robbed more people of the their pensions, benefits, wages, mutual funds, portfolios, and other financial belongings more than anything else.

And since they came on the tour, Serena and Venus have been going to the black neighborhoods to inspire courage and hope. It was in print somewhere their parents would take them back and forth to Compton so that they wouldn't forget where they came from. They do this act in secret because they are not the type to put on a front so they can be seen in the public eye.

Black people have their problems. The main problem with their problems is that you will see black people's problems more in the news than anybody else's problems. Is this because the majority of black people are doing wrong or is it "only" black people who are doing wrong? Other races have the same problems as black people. As history has shown, you are going to see more positive images of other races in the media than black people.

And some of us have a theory as to why this is.

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Toineefa, you sound quite sincere and I commend you. It looks like you do care about these, to use your own words,

"working class blacks",
"underprivileged blacks",
"blacks in the ghetto",
"poor blacks".

And I presume all that represents one group (!). Now, let's replace the word "blacks" with "whites" in these phrases. Do you still care?

If so, in your mind, can Venus and Serena be role models for them too?

Well, mankind is wide and large, and we all need help, don't we.

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Why do poor people need to be taught work ethics? Most of them worker harder than you and I ever will. And social etiquette? I'm confused. People of all economic status lack in manners. Oh, and that whole victimization card thing? The vast majority of people do not choose to be poor. All of these rather naive remarks make me think that you know very little about poverty in this country. But you do raise a thoughtful topic to consider.
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Maybe Jennifer and Lindsay can also go into poor white neighborhoods and help out those people to learn proper grammar, social skills and work ethic as well.

That would be great.

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Maybe Jennifer and Lindsay can also go into poor white neighborhoods and help out those people to learn proper grammar, social skills and work ethic as well.

Grammar lessons from Jen! That´d be, like...y´know...um...rilly great!
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I agree with all the responses in this topic.

You know alot of people from different walks of life are listening to Venus and Serena, and they happen to be people of all different shapes, sizes and backgrounds.

Tonieefa, one does not have to be rich to be a role model. Understand that just because one may come from a under priveledged background doesn't mean they are and I quote "ghetto". You can be rich and a millionare and be "ghetto" in my opinion. See, it's not where you're from, but HOW YOU LIVE.


Tonieefa, You should have checked on some facts regarding Venus and Serena, and even about people in general, before you mentioned this topic. In all honesty, you come off as very ignorant.

I just hope the responses in this post opened your eyes somewhat. In fact, Hopefully, the replies, worked as your mentor and now you're seeing the situations differently, in an altogether different light.

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Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
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Here are some truths beyond the stereotypes:

Did you know that the majority race in the USA were getting more pregnant than the minority race in the past 15 years or so? The black girls were more likely than so to give birth of their child than choose abortion. They were also less likely to give their child up for adoption. So this assumption is misleading.

Did you also know that more white people were on welfare than black people? Yet, the image of welfare is 99% of the time shown in the media as a black woman with three or more kids.

What about the topic of stealing? It's ironic how as they say "those blacks are living off the system and living free off our hard-earned money." Yet, the Enrons, the S&Ls, the corporate raiders, the banks, the Wall Street analysts, and so on have robbed more people of the their pensions, benefits, wages mutual funds, portfolios, and other financial belongings more than anything else.

And since they came on the tour, Serena and Venus have been going to the black neighborhoods to inspire courage and hope. It was in print somewhere their parents would take them back and forth to Compton so that they wouldn't forget where they come from. They do thiis act in secret because they are not the type to put on a front so they can be seen in the public eye.

Black people have their problems. The main problem with their problems is that you will see them more in the news than anybody else's problems. Is this because the majority of black people are doing wrong or is it "only" black people who are doing wrong? Other races have the same problems as black people. As history has shown, you are going to see more positive images of other races in the media than black people.

And some of us have a theory as to why this is.
Great post, topspin! I have said similar things on a few other threads on this board. The media is all about ratings and selling papers and the more sensational the story the better. They love showing footage or posting pics of menacing-looking blacks because it makes for such "compelling" copy.

Dawn Marie, it's so true: rich people can be ghetto, too!!! Just because they're financially comfortable doesn't mean they're immune from "low class" behavior. Please.
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Re: Re: What Venus and Serena could do to help working class blacks

actually the LTA did try to strike exactly such a deal to promote tennis in Moss Side and similar areas using V & S as role models. the deal fell thru bec Richard asked for more than they were prepared to pay. at the time everyone made this same point about why Timmy and Greg couldn't attract more "Blacks" to the sport.

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Nobody suggests that Tim Henman does this for poor kids in Moss Side, I dont see why V+S should be expected to just because they share the same skin colour; they´re tennis players not politicians, and, whatsmore only kids themselves.
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Toineefa--I am both shocked and amazed by your stated ignorance.I suggest you invest in African American studies 101.
It is quite aparent by your statements that you are totally insensitive to the feelings of African Americans, or perhaps you were just being malicious. You sure have an odd way of attempting to "not offend".
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