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Martina Hingis: Is she the "SERIOUS CLAYCOURTER" we make her out to be?

I know it's early in her comeback, but lets look at her on Clay. We measure Clay Wins By Roland Garros ofcourse however.....back in the day, most would say arguably that CLAY was Martina's BEST SURFACE and she was made out as this Clay Specialist to a degree.

I saw yesterday the same comments here and there, Stating she Grew up on the dirt. I personally think she's better on Hard Courts...but let's Discuss.

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She has a 97-22 record on Clay, Stellar with 7 titles and 4 of them Tier 1's.

Is she a Clay Court Specialist?

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I donít see Hingis as a claycourt specialist. I see her as a versatile player who's game is capable of adapting to any surface.

I think people have higher expectations on a clay court for her, because her known weakness (playing against big power hitters who can hit her off court) is somewhat blunted on a clay court. I think the clay hampers playes like Lindsay, Venus, Serena etc slightly whereas Hingis game doesnít suffer as much.

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I don't think so.
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i tend to think that hingis is better on indoors and the hardcourts they use in australian open
she's still great on all surfaces by all means - i think grass is her weakest surface, even if she has won wimbledon
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I think clay and grass are her worst surfaces.

Personally, I think her best shot at titles is Rebound Ace.
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No. Like I said in another thread, she's not a great on clay as people think she is. She's much better on hardcourts and indoors. On clay she has more time to set up but her shots are even weaker than normal and that sets up for the big hitters to smash her.

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Hingis with those results was given the opportunity to play her game on clay, she doesn't have that luxury these days.

Having said that, she is still possibly the best thinker on a tennis court so who knows. Pat Rafter made the Semi's of the French. Isn't claycourt tennis more about brain-fucking your'e opponent above skill and ability anyhow? I remember the year (possibly before many here were born)....Sanchez Vicario with rallies upon rallies of "moon-balls".

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I donít see Hingis as a claycourt specialist. I see her as a versatile player who's game is capable of adapting to any surface.

I think people have higher expectations on a clay court for her, because her known weakness (playing against big power hitters who can hit her off court) is somewhat blunted on a clay court. I think the clay hampers playes like Lindsay, Venus, Serena etc slightly whereas Hingis game doesnít suffer as much.


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She isn't a claycourt specialist, but considering she can play evert shot in the book and then some, she has the potential to be so. I am surprised hingis hasn't performed better on clay, but that gives her some extra things to work on.
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I think people have higher expectations on a clay court for her, because her known weakness (playing against big power hitters who can hit her off court) is somewhat blunted on a clay court. I think the clay hampers playes like Lindsay, Venus, Serena etc slightly whereas Hingis game doesnít suffer as much.

This is exactly the point. You STOLE the words right out of my mouth.
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I know it's early in her comeback, but lets look at her on Clay. We measure Clay Wins By Roland Garros ofcourse however.....back in the day, most would say arguably that CLAY was Martina's BEST SURFACE and she was made out as this Clay Specialist to a degree.

I saw yesterday the same comments here and there, Stating she Grew up on the dirt. I personally think she's better on Hard Courts...but let's Discuss.

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97 - F
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She has a 97-22 record on Clay, Stellar with 7 titles and 4 of them Tier 1's.

Is she a Clay Court Specialist?
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Hingy is not a clay-court specialist by any means. Especially in her second career, i think it will be her worst surface. 5 straight RG semi's is a great record, but it says more about how good a player she was back then, than about a surface specialization.
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Hingis with those results was given the opportunity to play her game on clay, she doesn't have that luxury these days.

Having said that, she is still possibly the best thinker on a tennis court so who knows. Pat Rafter made the Semi's of the French. Isn't claycourt tennis more about brain-fucking your'e opponent above skill and ability anyhow? I remember the year (possibly before many here were born)....Sanchez Vicario with rallies upon rallies of "moon-balls".
Are you referring to her match at RG 1996 against Habsudova, where she moonballed her to death and was jeered and booed by the crowd? Typical Aranxta. I miss her.

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Are you referring to her match at RG 1996 against Habsudova, where she moonballed her to death and was jeered and booed by the crowd? Typical Aranxta. I miss her.
Yuppers....from about 4-4 in the third set if my memory serves me correctly LOL. Sanchez was never the same after playing Novotna at the AO one year. Aranxta would go to serve and Jana would turn her back and come back to recieve. She complained to the umpire to no avail. I miss Sanchez....but geesh Novotna was a bitch Actually miss them both

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Is she a Clay Court Specialist?
It's a bit simplistic, but you can't can someone who's won every slam EXCEPT Roland Garros a clay court 'specialist'. You can't call her a specialist at all. She's good on virtually every surface.

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