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Martina STILL intimidated by Venus?

WARSAW, Poland -- Venus Williams overcame leg cramps and an inconsistent serve to beat Martina Hingis 4-6, 7-5, 6-4 Thursday in the second round of the J&S Cup.




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Martina Hingis, left, and Venus Williams hadn't played since 2002.




It was the first meeting between the former top-ranked players since 2002 in Hamburg, Germany.

"I'm very elated," Williams said. "This is a match that seems like I should have lost toward the end, but I didn't feel that way even though I was in a lot of pain and dire circumstances."

The 13th-ranked Williams received medical treatment for leg cramps at 1-1 in the third set.

Williams played only her third match of the year, having been sidelined since the Australian Open with a strained right elbow. The 25th-ranked Hingis is back on the WTA Tour after an almost three-year hiatus.

Both players struggled with their serve, and both broke twice to open the match.

Hingis held serve to lead 5-4 in the first set, then needed five break points before Williams netted a two-handed backhand.

Trailing 3-1 in the second set, Williams earned a break point when her backhand clipped the net and fell in, then hit a forehand winner to go back on serve.

At 5-4, Williams double-faulted twice to fall to 0-30, but rallied to hold with forehand winners, a Hingis error, and an ace down the middle. She then broke Hingis at 5-5 and served out the set.

"I felt like in the first game of the third set I was finally getting back to normal and hitting my shots and less errors and then boom, here come the cramps," Williams said. "I was thinking, if this keeps happening, hopefully I can move, but I definitely wanted to finish the match."

The players traded breaks early in the third. Tied 4-4, Williams won a break point with a two-handed backhand crosscourt winner, then Hingis hit a backhand long to trail 5-4. Williams served out the match.

Hingis called her own serve "disgusting."

"When she's standing there you get maybe a little intimidated," Hingis said. "I was trying to go for too much and missed it by a little bit."

Also Thursday, Svetlana Kuznetsova of Russia beat Tsvetana Pironkova of Bulgaria 6-3, 6-1, and Ana Ivanovic of Serbia-Montenegro defeated Patty Schnyder of Switzerland 6-3, 6-2. Anna Chakvetadze of Russia beat Daniela Hantuchova of Slovakia 6-4, 6-3.

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Martina STILL intimidated by Venus?
Nah, she just hasn't realized that the days of waiting for Venus to self-destruct are long gone

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Nah, she just hasn't realized that the days of waiting for Venus to self-destruct are long gone
Like January 16 in Melbourne, perhaps?

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WHOA, did she admit this???

"When she's standing there you get maybe a little intimidated," Hingis said. "I was trying to go for too much and missed it by a little bit."

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Of course she is still intimidated by Venus. The pair have not played since 2002, and The Williams Sisters were a large part of her decision to quit the tour. She was facing her greatest fear.
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Well, she is but she shouldn't be. Vee is not nearly the player she was when she was handing beat-downs to Hingis. Get over it Martina!

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I think she means she was intimidated when serving because of where Venus was standing to recieve. Which is exactly why Venus stands so far inside the court when recieving.

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Well, she is but she shouldn't be. Vee is not nearly the player she was when she was handing beat-downs to Hingis. Get over it Martina!
True, she's better.

Venus used to be all or nothing which got her victories
over Hingis but which also handed her losses and down
in their h2h until today.

Venus can still hit hard, but she's thiknking
out there more as well. True that it's harder
for venus to play consistently these days
especially with all the injuries but she's still as
dangerous as she ever was.

And neither handed each other beatdowns except
for the beginning and in the middle for Martina(i.e. 01' AO)
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I think she means she was intimidated when serving because of where Venus was standing to recieve. Which is exactly why Venus stands so far inside the court when recieving.
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True, she's better.

Venus used to be all or nothing which got her victories
over Hingis but which also handed her losses and down
in their h2h until today.

Venus can still hit hard, but she's thiknking
out there more as well. True that it's harder
for venus to play consistently these days
especially with all the injuries but she's still as
dangerous as she ever was.

And neither handed each other beatdowns except
for the beginning and in the middle for Martina(i.e. 01' AO)
BS. There were no weaknesses at all when she went through her dominant periods. Nowadays, she rarely shows her best form and even when it pops up she can't keep it up for the whole match very often.
There is no way she is better nowadays. She stunk up the place at RG. Then shehe played great at Wimbledon last year, but no better than 00-01. And she couldn't keep it up like in the old days. She should've beaten Kim at the USO and couldn't.
Thinking more out there? Thinking is what gets Vee into trouble. Her game isn't made for thinking. Hit and run. That's what she needs to do to win.

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Like January 16 in Melbourne, perhaps?

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Well, she is but she shouldn't be. Vee is not nearly the player she was when she was handing beat-downs to Hingis. Get over it Martina!
yeah, but still good enough to send Hingis packing and be the reigning Wimbledon Champion.
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BS. There were no weaknesses at all when she went through her dominant periods. Nowadays, she rarely shows her best form and even when it pops up she can't keep it up for the whole match very often.
There is no way she is better nowadays. She stunk up the place at RG. Then shehe played great at Wimbledon last year, but no better than 00-01. And she couldn't keep it up like in the old days. She should've beaten Kim at the USO and couldn't.
Thinking more out there? Thinking is what gets Vee into trouble. Her game isn't made for thinking. Hit and run. That's what she needs to do to win.
Venus had the same weaknesses in her game now that she did then: 1)Weak second serve causing her either to default or roll it in to get it into play or 2)Loss of concentration/let down during a match or 3)fh goes off.
With all the same faults, she is still better than most of the tour easily and even the best players she can smack down at will.
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Venus had the same weaknesses in her game now that she did then: 1)Weak second serve causing her either to default or roll it in to get it into play or 2)Loss of concentration/let down during a match or 3)fh goes off.
With all the same faults, she is still better than most of the tour easily and even the best players she can smack down at will.
Smack down at will? Do you think she wanted to lose to Karantancheva, Clijsters, Pironkova?
Of course she is still better than the rest of the tour even when not at her best. So is Serena, Lindsay, Justine, Kim, etc.
And those weaknesses you mention pop up far more often nowadays than they did back then though, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to dominate.
She found her groove last year at Wimbledon, but she has yet to prove she can sustain that level for more than 2 weeks.

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Of course she is still intimidated by Venus. The pair have not played since 2002, and The Williams Sisters were a large part of her decision to quit the tour. She was facing her greatest fear.


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