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Why is the WTA not successful as ATP tour...

Although new teen players like Ivanovic, Viadasova, Kirlenko, Mirza, Golvin,and so on..have gotten press...why haven't they really made a breakthrough at a slam..or at a big tier I event? Yet on the ATP tour.where there is tougher competition..the teen boys such as Murray..he just beat Roddick and Hewitt to win a title, Monfils is in the top 30 and has a title, Gasquet is in the top 20 he has a title, and of course Nadal is only 19 and he is no.2 in the world. I am surprised that Maria Sharapova is the only teen that has really brokenthrough and reached the top by winning a major..and yet she still only has one grand slam title. I remember back in the late 1990s and early 2000..Women's tennis really had so much excitement with the Williams Sisters, Kournkova, and Hingis,..and 3 out the 4 girls actually did become champions and live up to their potential. Is the press..making too big a deal out of these girls? Are they the real deal? And which one will finally breakthorugh? Women's tennis needs some new excitement..No one is dominating..there are so many injuries...and the WTA stars..are taking advantage of the tour by dropping out of events..and facing ludicrous fines...I also feel the WTA is not selling the product right. I hear a lot about this Viadasova kid..yet she hasn't done anything big yet..Yes I know she is only 16...but for someone that gets so much hype..where is the big results..Same for Mirza and Ivanovic..they haven't done anything yet people keep on saying they are the next big thing....I guess only time will tell..
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well, Murray, Monfils, Gasquet and even Berdych did not did well at the Oz this year and in general in the past slams, here in latin america there is only coverage of the ATP and I think is because "machismo", personally I don`t find the Atp more exciting than the wta. Roger and Nadal are way too much for the rest of the guys, i hope Safin will stay healthy because i like him a lot, but the rests specially Andy and Leyton are going down and down and down
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Gasquet held his seeding for 3 of the 4 slams last year (3r RG, 4r Wimbledon, 4r USO) and had the worst draw possible at this year's AO drawing Haas in his 1r. The rest did suck in slams, but the Slams are a hell of a lot tougher than the wmeon since they play best 3/5 sets.

You said it yourself in your original post. Gasuet beat Federer last year (one of 4 people to do so) won a title that year and got to a TMS final. Berdych really didn't do much all year then was a surprise winner at TMS Paris. Murray got a whole lot of hype simply because he's British and he's like their only prospect right now and he is good (winning memphis I think beating Roddick then Hewitt). Monfils got a whole lot of hype because he simply owned the juniors event and has made a nice jump from juniors to the real tour.

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well, Murray, Monfils, Gasquet and even Berdych did not did well at the Oz this year and in general in the past slams, here in latin america there is only coverage of the ATP and I think is because "machismo", personally I don`t find the Atp more exciting than the wta. Roger and Nadal are way too much for the rest of the guys, i hope Safin will stay healthy because i like him a lot, but the rests specially Andy and Leyton are going down and down and down
So true..
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[QUOTE=Morrissey]Although new teen players like Ivanovic, Viadasova, Kirlenko, Mirza, Golvin,and so on..have gotten press...why haven't they really made a breakthrough at a slam..or at a big tier I event? Yet on the ATP tour.where there is tougher competition..the teen boys such as Murray..he just beat Roddick and Hewitt to win a title, Monfils is in the top 30 and has a title, Gasquet is in the top 20 he has a title, and of course Nadal is only 19 and he is no.2 in the world. I am surprised that Maria Sharapova is the only teen that has really brokenthrough and reached the top by winning a major..and yet she still only has one grand slam title. I remember back in the late 1990s and early 2000..Women's tennis really had so much excitement with the Williams Sisters, Kournkova, and Hingis,..and 3 out the 4 girls actually did become champions and live up to their potential. Is the press..making too big a deal out of these girls? Are they the real deal? And which one will finally breakthorugh? Women's tennis needs some new excitement..No one is dominating..there are so many injuries...and the WTA stars..are taking advantage of the tour by dropping out of events..and facing ludicrous fines...I also feel the WTA is not selling the product right. I hear a lot about this Viadasova kid..yet she hasn't done anything big yet..Yes I know she is only 16...but for someone that gets so much hype..where is the big results..Same for Mirza and Ivanovic..they haven't done anything yet people keep on saying they are the next big thing....I guess only time will tell..[/QUOTE]


Huh,arent/havent Ivanovic,Vaidisova,Golovin and Kirilenko all been top 20(cept maybe Kirilenko)...Vaidisova and Mirza have titles and all have been in tour finals(cept Golovin...Ivanovic has beaten mauresmo TWICE and got to Grand Slam QF....Vaidisova's been in several slam RD16 s....so what do u mean???(in regards to the first part when comparisons to the young guys)

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So let me get this straight. Because it's hard to find many overhyped teenagers winning important titles when the big girls are playing, the WTA tour is somehow less successful than the ATP tour.

Isn't this a total non sequitur?

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overall males follow sports more than females.
Most males seem to have a preference for male sports.
therefore the followers of men's sports are usually larger than women's sports.
Its just simple numbers.

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Let's be honest here. People watch sport because of the action. And there's plenty of that on the ATP. OK. So there isn't a male Kournikova to have sponsors swarming into the sport. But sex appeal can only stretch out for so long. Most people would either buy a swimsuit mag, go to red carpet premiers or hang out at practice courts to get a close-up to the Kournikovas. Once people pay their tickets to see a match on court, they expect grunts, sweats, long rallies, amazing shots, cramps, athleticism...none of which are as common on the women's side.

Plus the men's side is far more competitive. How many times have we seen the likes of HH, Davenport, Sharapova and co. delivering bagles and breadsticks? It's f*cking boring, especially when it's my faves that are at the receiving end of the beating. We don't see as much of that from the guys, and their matches tend to be closer as well. That's why I like Dementieva. Say what you want about her inconsistency, but there's always tension and drama in her matches.

The women don't have that many options really. They can have best of 5 matches and stretch their court times, but since we have so many stories about injuries plagueing the WTA, I guess that option's out of the question Or they could raise the standard and make their best-of-3 set matches much more physical, but I also don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Although new teen players like Ivanovic, Viadasova, Kirlenko, Mirza, Golvin,and so on..have gotten press...why haven't they really made a breakthrough at a slam..or at a big tier I event? Yet on the ATP tour.where there is tougher competition..the teen boys such as Murray..he just beat Roddick and Hewitt to win a title, Monfils is in the top 30 and has a title, Gasquet is in the top 20 he has a title, and of course Nadal is only 19 and he is no.2 in the world. I am surprised that Maria Sharapova is the only teen that has really brokenthrough and reached the top by winning a major..and yet she still only has one grand slam title. I remember back in the late 1990s and early 2000..Women's tennis really had so much excitement with the Williams Sisters, Kournkova, and Hingis,..and 3 out the 4 girls actually did become champions and live up to their potential. Is the press..making too big a deal out of these girls? Are they the real deal? And which one will finally breakthorugh? Women's tennis needs some new excitement..No one is dominating..there are so many injuries...and the WTA stars..are taking advantage of the tour by dropping out of events..and facing ludicrous fines...I also feel the WTA is not selling the product right. I hear a lot about this Viadasova kid..yet she hasn't done anything big yet..Yes I know she is only 16...but for someone that gets so much hype..where is the big results..Same for Mirza and Ivanovic..they haven't done anything yet people keep on saying they are the next big thing....I guess only time will tell..
Contradictions alert...You say that women's tennis needs some excitement but then you say nobody is dominating. Well, surely WTA tennis is more exciting when nobody is dominating!
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Okay, now you've got me imagining Lindsay with Nadal-sized biceps, and Clijsters serving up Roddick-sized serves.
That'd be nice

Uh, the Clijsters with the Roddick serve, that is. I like Lindsay the way she looks just fine.
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And to think the WTA was once critised for it's lack of debth...
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Although new teen players like Ivanovic, Viadasova, Kirlenko, Mirza, Golvin,and so on..have gotten press...why haven't they really made a breakthrough at a slam..or at a big tier I event? Yet on the ATP tour.where there is tougher competition..the teen boys such as Murray..he just beat Roddick and Hewitt to win a title, Monfils is in the top 30 and has a title, Gasquet is in the top 20 he has a title, and of course Nadal is only 19 and he is no.2 in the world. I am surprised that Maria Sharapova is the only teen that has really brokenthrough and reached the top by winning a major..and yet she still only has one grand slam title. I remember back in the late 1990s and early 2000..Women's tennis really had so much excitement with the Williams Sisters, Kournkova, and Hingis,..and 3 out the 4 girls actually did become champions and live up to their potential. Is the press..making too big a deal out of these girls? Are they the real deal? And which one will finally breakthorugh? Women's tennis needs some new excitement..No one is dominating..there are so many injuries...and the WTA stars..are taking advantage of the tour by dropping out of events..and facing ludicrous fines...I also feel the WTA is not selling the product right. I hear a lot about this Viadasova kid..yet she hasn't done anything big yet..Yes I know she is only 16...but for someone that gets so much hype..where is the big results..Same for Mirza and Ivanovic..they haven't done anything yet people keep on saying they are the next big thing....I guess only time will tell..
It's quite simple, really, and I'll paraphrase a writing from Jim Morrison- cinema was created by men, for the express enjoyment of men (and necessarily, the exploitation of women). The ATP is more successful because it's based on the tennis, whereas the WTA tour is pocked with media darlings, with only a small handful at or near the top who are worth watching play tennis. When you think about it, men have a greater sexual drive, while women have a greater sexual capacity. The average attention span stays longer with tennis than it does with a picture of this month's calendar girl.

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At least the WTA can have a Tier One Event
which does not have to Publish the Draw Three times
before they get it correct
I know what was up with that?

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i dont know, but i never watch atp, i dont find it interesting
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Okay, now you've got me imagining Lindsay with Nadal-sized biceps, and Clijsters serving up Roddick-sized serves.
Ha! Amélie could take Nadal in an arm wrestling match!

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