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Rankings are very tight!

Am I the only one who has noticed how much depth we have in the rankings? Obviously discluding the top 10, there are so many quality players between 11-25ish.

More great players than what we had 3 or 4 years ago IMO.

Schiavone
Myskina
Kuznetsova
Vaidisova
Hantuchova
Likhovtseva
Pennetta
Ivanovic
Groenefeld
Dechy
Safin
Kirlienko
Golovin

Wow! Now compare that to what we had in 2003-

Venus
Petrova
Zvonareva
Suarez
Dokic
Smashnova
Shaugnessy
Martinez
Hantuchova
Schiavone
Bovina
Serna
Farina Elia
Danilidou
Raymond

There were still quite a few quality players, but Shaugnessy, Smashnova, Serna, Raymond, Martinez and Danilidou Absolutely no way they could be top 25 at this time.

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safin plays on the womens' tour?
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Martinez and Smashnova played great that year. Top 25 position is always deserved position

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The game has moved on so much, these players couldnt keep up.

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safin plays on the womens' tour?
I could see that coming after I read my post. I didn't think it was worth editing so....

Daniela Hantuchova.

Casey Dellacqua, Jelena Jankovic, Anna-Lena Groenefeld,
Jelena Dokic, Mirjana Lucic, Sara Tomic, Sloane Stephens
Melanie Oudin, Kiki Bertens, Kaia Kanepi, Alison Riske
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Am I the only one who has noticed how much depth we have in the rankings? Obviously discluding the top 10, there are so many quality players between 11-25ish.

More great players than what we had 3 or 4 years ago IMO.

Schiavone
Myskina
Kuznetsova
Vaidisova
Hantuchova
Likhovtseva
Pennetta
Ivanovic
Groenefeld
Dechy
Safin
Kirlienko
Golovin

Wow! Now compare that to what we had in 2003-

Venus
Petrova
Zvonareva
Suarez
Dokic
Smashnova
Shaugnessy
Martinez
Hantuchova
Schiavone
Bovina
Serna
Farina Elia
Danilidou
Raymond

There were still quite a few quality players, but Shaugnessy, Smashnova, Serna, Raymond, Martinez and Danilidou Absolutely no way they could be top 25 at this time.

Martinez beat Davenport in 2003.
Farina Elia beat Davenport in 2003.
Shaughnessy beat Clijsters in 2001.
Smashnova beat Clijsters in 2002.
Bovina beat Clijsters in 2004.
Dokic beat Clijsters in 2001.
Dokic beat Mauresmo in 2001.
Daniliidou beat Mauresmo in 2002.
Suarez beat Mauresmo in 2003.
Dokic beat Venus in 2000.
Shaughnessy beat Venus in 2001 and 2003.
Zvonareva beat Venus in 2003
Raymond beat Venus in 2004.
Suarez beat Serena in 2000.
Shaughnessy beat Serena in 2002.
Raymond beat Capriati in 2001.
Dokic beat Capriati in 2002.
Martinez beat Capriati in 2002.
Bovina beat Capriati in 2003.
Daniilidou beat Capriati in 2004 twice.
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i think youll find that those players in the top 25 in 2003 were all VERY competitive. Just as competitive as the current bunch. And this was when the Williams sisters were playing fantastic, so it's even more impressive.

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Martinez beat Davenport in 2003.
Farina Elia beat Davenport in 2003.
Shaughnessy beat Clijsters in 2001.
Smashnova beat Clijsters in 2002.
Bovina beat Clijsters in 2004.
Dokic beat Clijsters in 2001.
Dokic beat Mauresmo in 2001.
Daniliidou beat Mauresmo in 2002.
Suarez beat Mauresmo in 2003.
Dokic beat Venus in 2000.
Shaughnessy beat Venus in 2001 and 2003.
Zvonareva beat Venus in 2003
Raymond beat Venus in 2004.
Suarez beat Serena in 2000.
Shaughnessy beat Serena in 2002.
Raymond beat Capriati in 2001.
Dokic beat Capriati in 2002.
Martinez beat Capriati in 2002.
Bovina beat Capriati in 2003.
Daniilidou beat Capriati in 2004 twice.
Wow! Each player has one or two notable scalps.

Every top player has an off match once in a while, and on most of your occasions listed, this was the case. Davenport was still recovering from surgery in 2003 and Capriati was below her best in 2004. Venus was in a slump when she lost to Zvonareva, Clijsters wasn't the player she is today back in 2001 against Elia and Shaugnessy and Capriati was still on the comeback trail in 2001.... etc

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Wow! Each player has one or two notable scalps.

Every top player has an off match once in a while, and on most of your occasions listed, this was the case. Davenport was still recovering from surgery in 2003 and Capriati was below her best in 2004. Venus was in a slump when she lost to Zvonareva, Clijsters wasn't the player she is today back in 2001 against Elia and Shaugnessy and Capriati was still on the comeback trail in 2001.... etc
Every loss of top players can be explained like that
What matches do you want us to remember then?

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Well, just go through those scalps and you'll see that none of them are likely to happen. That indicates to me that there was probably an underlying reason for them losing. Then when I think about it, for most I can see a clear and logical explanation- as opposed to the ones that were actually legitimate wins (eg. Dokic over Venus in 2000).

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There were still quite a few quality players, but Shaugnessy, Smashnova, Serna, Raymond, Martinez and Danilidou Absolutely no way they could be top 25 at this time.
I do not agree with you Martinez is not a 'quality player' according to you? If she is now 20 years old, with her tennis, the question will be: could some top 25 of nowadays def. her? I am not so sure...

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comparing to 2003, a lot of teenagers take control the tour.
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Sorry, I actually quite like Conchita. Her game is very consistent, and it was top notch back in the 90's, but I wouldnt' say she could mix it with the top 20 right now, even at the top of her game. The game has changed and players like her have phased out now.

That's just my opinion anyway.

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