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The "new" Amélie?

Okay, I think that with 6 tournaments played this year, we can begin to discuss Amélie's "renewal"...

Out of six tournaments played, she has lost to Ivanovic, Kuznetsova and Petrova, none of these players having had a tremendous 2006 besides their win against Amélie...

Now okay she's won 3 tournaments including a slam, but who has she beaten? Twice an injured Kim, an ill Justine and a slumping Mary... Sure she beat Patty and Nadia, but top players shoud beat them anyway!

So really, to me there's nothing like "new mentality" for Amélie. It looks like she's still the same old player, always there but losing to opponents she shouldn't lose to.

I think the only Tier I or above she could maybe win this year is Rome, because of the depleted field, but I don't expect her to do that well this year from now on. She'll probably win some Tier II as she usually does, but nothing stellar. Amélie isn't dominating the tour, she was just on a good streak and had some luck with the draw and her opponents for 3 tournaments, the same way she was on a good streak at the YEC.

Don't expect too much of her, really. I'm not a hater btw, I was just surprised by all the fuss about Amélie this year, although nothing has changed really, except that now she's not anymore the best player not having a slam under her belt.

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I agree. But it has to be a big step for her to win the YEC and the Australian Open. I'm sure it won't be her last slam.

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Well yeah, don't get me wrong, I still think she really belongs to top 5 and she's a top player, but she has been there for a while now, so it's not like it's something new... She will definitely not win all grand slams (like I've read recently), maybe she can win another slam but it doesn't depend exclusively on her...

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Sorry but I don't agree with you on this!

Amelie is playing with much more confidence and you can tell by the shots she's making and coming up with. Her backhand was great before this new found confidence, but now it's just amazing and the positioning of it ...

She has played a lot of tournaments and this loss yesterday was down to three reasons:

1. Nadia played out of her mind and she has a new found confidence and a new coach; and

2. Amelie has played far too many tournaments and was just that little bit tired; and

3. The match against Hingis took a certain amount of energy out of her!

I know you are not bashing her and you are just expressing your opinion but you have to look at it objectively and try to understand the reasons why.
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Well, if you want my honest opinion, she's like a stand in for when the top players are out of the game. She's an awesome player and all, but she can't be expected to consistently beat players like Clijsters, JHH and Davenport.

All of her "great" acheivments have practically been handed to her. Thinking back to when she first made number 1, when she won the YEC and when she took out the Aus Open- each time she was conveniently lucky.

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Out of six tournaments played, she has lost to Ivanovic, Kuznetsova and Petrova, none of these players having had a tremendous 2006 besides their win against Amélie...
Well Petrova won Tier II. Ivanovic and Sveta haven't had even something close to that. Also Nadia went deep in AO.
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I also totally disagree. It's the way she's playing tournaments that demonstrates the arrival of the "new Amelie". Her play has been sensational of late. Her backhand has become a far greater, and more spectacular shot than it has ever been - and it has always been something special Her serve has vastly improved. Her confident game is a pleasure to watch. I think she's going to keep on playing wonderfully this year. And keep on racking up those titles.....

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I think you've made a very harsh judgment, although I'm not surprised, coming from you. I just hope that Amerlie's results in the months to come will prove you wrong, so that an obliging Amelie fan can dig this out and rub your nose in it

Also, not everyone will agree with your judgments about Kim and Justine being "injured" and "ill" respectively. Kim spent the whole of the Antwerp tournament, it seems to me, saying that she wasn't injured. And as for Justine being "ill" with a "stomach ulcer", well I don't want to bring that old chestnut up again

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Okay, I think that with 6 tournaments played this year, we can begin to discuss Amélie's "renewal"...

Out of six tournaments played, she has lost to Ivanovic, Kuznetsova and Petrova, none of these players having had a tremendous 2006 besides their win against Amélie...

Now okay she's won 3 tournaments including a slam, but who has she beaten? Twice an injured Kim, an ill Justine and a slumping Mary... Sure she beat Patty and Nadia, but top players shoud beat them anyway!

So really, to me there's nothing like "new mentality" for Amélie. It looks like she's still the same old player, always there but losing to opponents she shouldn't lose to.

I think the only Tier I or above she could maybe win this year is Rome, because of the depleted field, but I don't expect her to do that well this year from now on. She'll probably win some Tier II as she usually does, but nothing stellar. Amélie isn't dominating the tour, she was just on a good streak and had some luck with the draw and her opponents for 3 tournaments, the same way she was on a good streak at the YEC.

Don't expect too much of her, really. I'm not a hater btw, I was just surprised by all the fuss about Amélie this year, although nothing has changed really, except that now she's not anymore the best player not having a slam under her belt.
What a ridiculous post.
Kim injured at Antwerp?
Mary slumping? since when? How come she is slumping when she is reaching a final? :retard:
And no she is not the same player, she is enjoying her best 4 months of her life, from November to early March she has won 5 titles, Masters, a Grand Slam, RU of another event (Doha). Last year she had her best end of a season for her and this year she has had her best start of a season, sure this not a Serena´s like dominance, or Steffi Graf, but she is at her peak right now.

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Sorry but I don't agree with you on this!

Amelie is playing with much more confidence and you can tell by the shots she's making and coming up with. Her backhand was great before this new found confidence, but now it's just amazing and the positioning of it ...

She has played a lot of tournaments and this loss yesterday was down to three reasons:

1. Nadia played out of her mind and she has a new found confidence and a new coach; and

2. Amelie has played far too many tournaments and was just that little bit tired; and

3. The match against Hingis took a certain amount of energy out of her!

I know you are not bashing her and you are just expressing your opinion but you have to look at it objectively and try to understand the reasons why.
totally agree with you

perhaps the poster of this thread wants to convince himself that amélie is like she was some times ago,you know a good player but not able to get through against big players.But if you are a good observator you should have noticed that she IS different NOW.She didnt win the doha finale so what??she just has the right to not play good and yes be beaten by a better opponent on this particular day.She played a lot , 7 weeks of competition and won 4 tournaments.She has to calm down and get some rest because the season is long,great events to come Miami(semi to defend)and especially the fed cup,roland garros,the clay tour so she will need all her energie to make another great things.

Its very quite obvious that amélie is different,her game is different and when she is on her "top health" physique she can be very impressive and yes beat any player.Thats my opinion.

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totally agree with you

perhaps the poster of this thread wants to convince himself that amélie is like she was some times ago,you know a good player but not able to get through against big players.But if you are a good observator you should have noticed that she IS different NOW.She didnt win the doha finale so what??she just has the right to not play good and yes be beaten by a better opponent on this particular day.She played a lot , 7 weeks of competition and won 4 tournaments.She has to calm down and get some rest because the season is long,great events to come Miami(semi to defend)and especially the fed cup,roland garros,the clay tour so she will need all her energie to make another great things.

Its very quite obvious that amélie is different,her game is different and when she is on her "top health" physique she can be very impressive and yes beat any player.Thats my opinion.


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Well, if you want my honest opinion, she's like a stand in for when the top players are out of the game.
Whilst this is perhaps a tad too harsh, I do tend to agree with it.

However, just like anyone else Amelie can only be expected to beat those who are on the other side of the net, it's not her problem if the other players are injured, unfit or ill or not playing at their best level. When you look at her losses this year, all have been to players who can hit through her defense - Ivanovic, Kuznetsova & Petrova and it does make you wonder if she would be able to cope if she had to face Davenport or fully fit & committed Williams sisters at the moment.
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Whilst this is perhaps a tad too harsh, I do tend to agree with it.

However, just like anyone else Amelie can only be expected to beat those who are on the other side of the net, it's not her problem if the other players are injured, unfit or ill or not playing at their best level. When you look at her losses this year, all have been to players who can hit through her defense - Ivanovic, Kuznetsova & Petrova and it does make you wonder if she would be able to cope if she had to face Davenport or fully fit & committed Williams sisters at the moment.
well I think we can turn it differently too.A very fit amélie should compete with any of the top player,yesterday against petrova or even against kuznetsova its quite obvious that she wasnt at her best with her physique,she was slow and didnt make good choices tacticly.So I think the best illustration will be at Miami,all the tops will be there,fit and with a rested amélie.Dont think that it will be the same match as yesterday if she has to meet nadia again but we'll see.

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IMO the "new" Amélie can be seen in the way she plays, not necessarily in the results. Since YEC she hasn't had any problems closing out sets and matches, and she does not start slow like she once use to do. Her improved confidence can be seen in her play.
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I think you've made a very harsh judgment, although I'm not surprised, coming from you. I just hope that Amerlie's results in the months to come will prove you wrong, so that an obliging Amelie fan can dig this out and rub your nose in it

Also, not everyone will agree with your judgments about Kim and Justine being "injured" and "ill" respectively. Kim spent the whole of the Antwerp tournament, it seems to me, saying that she wasn't injured. And as for Justine being "ill" with a "stomach ulcer", well I don't want to bring that old chestnut up again
Nice little dig there fifi! You just can't stop can you?

Do you want me to start with my little digs about your fave? Believe me, I can write about 10 pages! I'm not into that because I don't like bashing players - I only do it when I get provoked!

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