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the game may not have passed Martina by, but it sure did Seles and Capriati...

there should be little doubt that, even if fully healthy and fit, a Capriati's or Seles' return would be nowhere as successful as Martina's, a sign of the Swiss Miss more timeless skills and strategies maybe...
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I'm not sure that the game has "passed them by". I think if Capriati and Seles were both fully fit and played a full schedule, they'd be solidly in the top 20. Anything above that, I'm not sure. It's not suprising that Martina is likely going to have a better comeback. Her results have always been better than their's (with the obvious exception of Seles pre-1993). Even in Martina's last year before she retired, she had a stronger final year than Seles or Capriati.
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I'm not sure that the game has "passed them by". I think if Capriati and Seles were both fully fit and played a full schedule, they'd be solidly in the top 20. Anything above that, I'm not sure. It's not suprising that Martina is likely going to have a better comeback. Her results have always been better than their's (with the obvious exception of Seles pre-1993). Even in Martina's last year before she retired, she had a stronger final year than Seles or Capriati.
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It's not suprising that Martina is likely going to have a better comeback. Her results have always been better than their's (with the obvious exception of Seles pre-1993). Even in Martina's last year before she retired, she had a stronger final year than Seles or Capriati.

What No way did Martina have a better 2002 than Capriati

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there should be little doubt that, even if fully healthy and fit, a Capriati's or Seles' return would be nowhere as successful as Martina's, a sign of the Swiss Miss more timeless skills and strategies maybe...
I completely disagree particularly in the case of Monica (though Jennifer's no slouch either). You don't have their respective careers by sheer luck. Monica's mental strength alone is the equivalent of 50 players combined.
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I completely disagree particularly in the case of Monica (though Jennifer's no slouch either). You don't have their respective careers by sheer luck. Monica's mental strength alone is the equivalent of 50 players combined.
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there should be little doubt that, even if fully healthy and fit, a Capriati's or Seles' return would be nowhere as successful as Martina's, a sign of the Swiss Miss more timeless skills and strategies maybe...

Completetly disagree........ Jennifer has been in the Top 10 since 2001 through to the early part of 2005.... a longer, consistent stretch than anyone else currently in the top 10. #s 6-10 could all easily be replaced by Jen in the current top 10. Jen has only been away from the game for 14 months and has already begun training for her return...

Monica would only return if she could compete at a high level...

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Linds and Corina.
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Linds and Corina.
I know this is off topic but were they ever an item?

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I know this is off topic but were they ever an item?
Lol! No, they're just close and don't mind showing public affection.
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Completetly disagree........ Jennifer has been in the Top 10 since 2001 through to the early part of 2005.... a longer, consistent stretch than anyone else currently in the top 10. #s 6-10 could all easily be replaced by Jen in the current top 10. Jen has only been away from the game for 14 months and has already begun training for her return...

Monica would only return if she could compete at a high level...

Consistent, I guess shes kinda similar to Mauresmo and Dementieva. The only thing good bout her is that, unlike the Williams sisters she doesnt retire in a tournament that often.
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I think that Martina's comeback is unique. No one can have such an amazing comeback, because no one is such an incredible player as she is.
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I think it is safe to say that a fully fit Monica or Jennifer would do quite well. Martina would not have done as well were she not injury free for now. But neither Jen nor Monica have outdated games any more than anyone else does. And both were fierce competitors, so if truly fit, both would win their share of matches.
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I think that Martina's comeback is unique. No one can have such an amazing comeback, because no one is such an incredible player as she is.

The greatest comeback ever in the Summer 1995....comes to mind for me.

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I'm not sure that the game has "passed them by". I think if Capriati and Seles were both fully fit and played a full schedule, they'd be solidly in the top 20. Anything above that, I'm not sure. It's not suprising that Martina is likely going to have a better comeback. Her results have always been better than their's (with the obvious exception of Seles pre-1993). Even in Martina's last year before she retired, she had a stronger final year than Seles or Capriati.


I'll grant you the point on Seles though, since Hingis was still consistently beating her in their final years on tour.
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