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post #1 of 66 (permalink) Old Jan 11th, 2006, 11:51 PM Thread Starter
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Isn't this great?

It didn't take long to show how flawed the new ranking system is.

Take Sydney, let's think for a moment that Justine wins it.

She would do it by beating Hingis, Dushevina, a walkover, Kuznetsova and either Schiavone or Vaidisova.

You got it, no top 10s and a walkover.

But she would get 190 points.

Let's say in Los Angeles (draw of 64) a player wins the tournamnets and beats Kim and Davenport. How many points does she get? 190 points.

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owh well, i'm done complaining... we have this stupid system now so let's try to make the best of it WIN SYDNEY JUSTINE!!!!!!!!!!!

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What would your WTA ranking system be?

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There was nothing much wrong with the old system. The quality points were a good idea. Ideally, I would have retained quality points and reduced the maximum "counting" tournaments from 17 to ... I dunno ... maybe 15 or something.

Oh well, follks, what's done is done. Time to move on.

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post #5 of 66 (permalink) Old Jan 12th, 2006, 01:31 AM
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Are you going to do this after every tournament now?
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post #6 of 66 (permalink) Old Jan 12th, 2006, 01:34 AM Thread Starter
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What would your WTA ranking system be?
Basically, I would go back to an average system, with a minimum divisor of 14 tournaments.

The quality points would be calculated as a percentage of the round points.

The round points wouldn't be expressed as points for reaching a round, but points for winning a round.

for example, instead of saying QF 100 points SF 150 points, it would be 50 points for winning QF.

That would be because the quality points would be a percentage of points earned in the round the win happens, for example, for beating # 1 it could be 100%, so in the above example, if a player beats the # 1 in the quarters, she would earn 100 points.

All the poinst would be added and divided by the # of tournaments or 14, whatever is greater.

No zero points tournaments, 10k and 25k would be added to the ranking the week after they are played, not two weeks after like now.

Finally, the round points would be build with a logical relationship.

for example, winning a tier 2 could be equivalent to reaching the final of a tier 1, so the round points should be exactly the same.

no double quality points for GS, because they are a percentage they will be higher anyway.

that's pretty much it, not too complicated and I think it would be fair, of course, it would be necessary to create a simulation tool, to analyze different scenarios, to actually choose the points and percentages well.
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Are you going to do this after every tournament now?
yes, any questions?
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Fingon is to the new ranking system what Calimero was to Steffi and JR is to Patty
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Fingon is to the new ranking system what Calimero was to Steffi and JR is to Patty
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It didn't take long to show how flawed the new ranking system is.
The system is fine now, doesn't need fixing so don't fix it.
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I'm sure quality points will be back once the atp adopts it.
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post #12 of 66 (permalink) Old Jan 12th, 2006, 01:54 AM
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I still think we should do it like college football where the rankings are determined by a group of tennis sportswriters from all around the world. Every two weeks they can come out with a new list or something like that. For seeding purposes they can use the current system, and we don't have to worry about quality points being affected by sportswriters bias, since there would be no quality points. But then that does take away the historical significance of the rankings, so I guess nevermind.

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It's time to get over it.
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The System is better now its more like the ATP system thats good
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Are you going to do this after every tournament now?
Why not? It might be interesting - particularly at the end of the year if number1 is number 1 by virtue of a walkover getting the same points as a win or the number 1 wouldn't have been number 1 because someone else had more quality points. We might as well know what oddities it throws up.

Actually Francesca who deserves a bit of luck just got the same points for not playing as 1 person did for winning a real QF match and 2 did for turning up against wounded foes, so the system isn't all bad
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