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Hingis's ranking level: about 20-25th

Hingis got a fortunate draw this week, playing players in the first 3 rounds who didn't really threaten her. Flavia was a level better than these other players and it seemed that she and Hingis are about even atm. So i think Hingis answered some questions - we can expect her to beat most players outside the Top 30. Against players between 15-30, her matches will probably be quite tough, and players inside the Top 15 should be able to handle her for now. The longer term question is how much will she be able to improve on a fairly promising start.
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Hingis got a fortunate draw this week, playing players in the first 3 rounds who didn't really threaten her. Flavia was a level better than these other players and it seemed that she and Hingis are about even atm. So i think Hingis answered some questions - we can expect her to beat most players outside the Top 30. Against players between 15-30, her matches will probably be quite tough, and players inside the Top 15 should be able to handle her for now. The longer term question is how much will she be able to improve on a fairly promising start.

She have even #1 potentiality/talent but her giant pause and history of "allround" injuries at other hand speak as that she maybe never back even in TOP100! So, today is too early for answers... also i not agree that Penneta beat her because Flavia (right now) is TOP LEVEL in relation to Hingis. I know that she won yesterday match, but how explain 6:1 for Martina in 1st set?

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The only way she can get 'about 20-25' is to play lower Tier tournaments ... playing bigger events automatically means playing a seed in r1 or r2!

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Hingis got a fortunate draw this week, playing players in the first 3 rounds who didn't really threaten her. Flavia was a level better than these other players and it seemed that she and Hingis are about even atm. So i think Hingis answered some questions - we can expect her to beat most players outside the Top 30. Against players between 15-30, her matches will probably be quite tough, and players inside the Top 15 should be able to handle her for now. The longer term question is how much will she be able to improve on a fairly promising start.
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You ignore in your analysis a very important item: The Big-Star-Psych-Out factor which affects especially those of below rank 30 but who eventually will overcome it.Thus your forecast might be over optimistic. Even the other Martina has managed a couple of first R victories on this factor recently.
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She's going to be top ten by the end of the year...

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She's going to be top ten by the end of the year...
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Yeah? Which year though? You better buy a comfortable chair to wait for this very unlikely event.
By the end of the year she might not be able even to walk.She is irresponsibly risking serious permanent injury in her ankles according to her own surgeon, but she is a very petulant narcissistic woman.
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Yeah? Which year though? You better buy a comfortable chair to wait for this very unlikely event.
By the end of the year she might not be able even to walk.She is irresponsibly risking serious permanent injury in her ankles according to her own surgeon, but she is a very petulant narcissistic woman.
Don't be so dramatic, she was given the all clear from several doctors and she herself feels comfortable playing again. She's a former number one with incredible talent. She'll be in the top 10 by the end of the year...THIS YEAR!

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From her performance this week, including a domination of Pannetta in the first set and an eventual loss mainly due to her hip injury she's probably 20-25 quality already - could be higher, she hasn't played anyone in the top 20 yet so it's hard to say but she had Pannetta before she got injured. In fact, I've spoken to people who've seen all 4 of her matches who say her performance against Pannetta pre-hip injury was the best she played all week. I'd also blame fatigue but this is something she'll gradually overcome - you can't prepare for the physical and mental strain that a long match puts on you until you actually play them.

So, all things considered I think top 10 is a very realistic target for this year. I think she can do it. If she had a ranking now she'd already by 320ish
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Is it high enough for her though? I would think so. can't expect to be top 15 material when you first come back after 3 years

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Exactly Top-25 is already very good for someone who hasn't played in more than 3 years in her very first tournament back She'll certainly continue to progress during the year, so who knows!

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The matches she won aren't the only indicator of how good she is playing.

Hingis is an ex-world number 1, and players definitely brought alot of respect to her, and went on court a bit scared.


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She's doing OK. Its only one week in and it takes a rising player who has just cracked the top 20 to beat her. Its better than that because Dinara, Francesca, Nadia and Patty all reminded us that the players in the top 20 lose to lower ranked players too - underachievement is common in the top 20 and, if Martina can get to the top 20, draws will still open up for her there. We have also already got two of the very top players injured just one week into the season - which also eases her opposition and reminds us how the top players have suffered lately.

More interesting though is why she ran out of steam. If its the natural consequence of coming back and playing a lot after being away, or a one off heat reaction like her AO final loss to Jencap, fine. if its a more general problem racing around at the required intensity for long enough she may have a problem or at least something to work on. Too early to tell by far there.
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Don't be so dramatic, she was given the all clear from several doctors and she herself feels comfortable playing again. She's a former number one with incredible talent. She'll be in the top 10 by the end of the year...THIS YEAR!
Oh yeah? Several doctors? OK.Which ones? List their names and post links to their "clearing" satements.Otherwise you are just a vulgar, common rumor monger.
In my case i am not beign "dramatic" , you condescending moron. I am talking about her own surgeon Dr Heinz Buehlman of the Bethanienheim Clinic in Zurich, the guy who actually opened up her ankles and looked inside them and knows what he is talking about as opposed to you, a cheap cheeerleader and gossiper!
In any event ,the "dramatic" surgeon is on record warning that if she comes back to pro level play she risks serious permanent injuries. If you don't believe me, call him at the clinic.It is as simple as that! You can also look in the web for his satements right after his last two operations.

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