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THE ITF Doping Committee: TOO HARSH?

Just read the ITF's document on Puerto's 8 year band. What a bunch of fucking shit...... They say that they agree that Puerto did not intentionally injest the doping agent, that the doping agent is not known for sure to imporve performance, and that the amounts found in his sample were not enough to enhance his FO performance, but they are giving him the 8 year ban anyways. If had intentionally injested a doping agent in an effort to improve his performance I would be for a lifetime ban, but come on. This is stupid. Read the article here:

http://www.itftennis.com/abouttheit...le.asp?id=16082


I, as a tennis fan, do not want this group runing doping for the WTA and the ATP....

this is the same group that banned poor Alex B. for his asthma inhaler for 9 months......

something needs to be done about this!

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it's stupid that almost no players are ever caught or penalized for doping, but when one is, he is kicked out of the sport. I think he penalties should be a six month ban followed by a two year ban for 2nd offense. Those are both pretty severe.

If there's good evidence Puerta's doping was unintentional, i would think a year ban would be fitting to the crime. To end his career on unintentional use is just not right. He's taking the punch for everyone else.
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this is the same group that banned poor Alex B. for his asthma inhaler for 9 months......

don't agree, these inhalers can be used as steroids by everybody, not only those with asthma. It was totally justified for Bogomolov to receive a penalty, although 9 months was maybe a bit long.
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Just read the ITF's document on Puerto's 8 year band. What a bunch of fucking shit...... They say that they agree that Puerto did not intentionally injest the doping agent, that the doping agent is not known for sure to imporve performance, and that the amounts found in his sample were not enough to enhance his FO performance, but they are giving him the 8 year ban anyways. If had intentionally injested a doping agent in an effort to improve his performance I would be for a lifetime ban, but come on. This is stupid. Read the article here:

http://www.itftennis.com/abouttheit...le.asp?id=16082


I, as a tennis fan, do not want this group runing doping for the WTA and the ATP....

this is the same group that banned poor Alex B. for his asthma inhaler for 9 months......

something needs to be done about this!
I just read it too... and yes this all seems very harsh indeed. 8 years!! But I guess they just followed the strict rules of the "Code".
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don't agree, these inhalers can be used as steroids by everybody, not only those with asthma. It was totally justified for Bogomolov to receive a penalty, although 9 months was maybe a bit long.

But he had a doctor's prescip and report and it had been on file witht ITF, it had just expired, so the ITF know that he had asthma and were just being overly tough.

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it's stupid that almost no players are ever caught or penalized for doping, but when one is, he is kicked out of the sport. I think he penalties should be a six month ban followed by a two year ban for 2nd offense. Those are both pretty severe.

If there's good evidence Puerta's doping was unintentional, i would think a year ban would be fitting to the crime. To end his career on unintentional use is just not right. He's taking the punch for everyone else.


That's the thing though.... they addmit that the punishiment is way harsh, but it is following the code, and not worried about the proportionality to the "offenese" I would sue their asses off....

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Although I am totally against doping in sports, I´d really like to see what the ITF would do if it´s one of the real tennis stars...

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it's stupid that almost no players are ever caught or penalized for doping, but when one is, he is kicked out of the sport.

Well, one could argue that the stiff penalties (like effectively being kicked out of the sport for breaking the rules) are working. Proof? Like you said, almost no players are ever caught. Fear of stiff penalties usually keep people in line and prevent cheating. And, I doubt the penalty for Puerta would have been as severe if he hadn't already been busted for prohibited substances once before. It's not like this is a first time offense in this case.
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It's a bit harsh, but it's already the second time they catch him. So, no excuse then for me. One punishment should be enough I think. If they do it again, well... It's the only way to get clean players.

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Also, it seems like this question is a prelude to complaining about whatever sentence or decision is made in regard to Karatantcheva's recent situation. In her case, given it's a first offense, I doubt she'll get eight years. Lourdes Dominguez Lino was busted for coke and she only got 2 years (or so.) But, if Karatantcheva was really (actually, not just reported by the suspicion-becomes-fact L'Equipe) caught with nandrolone - an out and out, no-getting-around-it STEROID - she can't go with the "it was medication" defense.
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We need to bring the ITF Doping Committee to America. I estimate there wouldn't be a drug problem in America after 3 years. Most of the people would be in jail but the boring I mean good citizens would be free.

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so it's just a coincidence that he's been caught on doping twice? once could be a mistake, but it's highly unlikely they'd make the same mistake twice

ugh, why do they all suck????????
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He cheated twice. Maybe once it was mistake. In other sports even if it's mistake the second ban is life time so he is lucky
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punishment for Puerta is exactly what he deserves,
2nd time he got caught, he cant get away this time.


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someone should sue these drug gestapo groups and put them out of their misery...i for one dont care who is doping or nor, in other words its should be a persons right to ingest whatever they want whenever...in other words doping is not so bad as its made out...if you WILLINGLY want to risk your life taking drugs, everyone should respect that....i also dont see it as cheating...and i also dont believe the deterent claim cause the people who know what they are doing are decades ahead of the testers...not testing positive doesnt mean you are clean it means you can fool the tests...look at how far ahead BALCO was in relation to the testers...they had stuff the testers never even dreamed of....doping has been going on as long as there has been competition and evidence has surfaced that olympians at the turn of the century were doping as well...and i blame the atp and wta for not showing any courage and letting the drug fools run their tours and banning the players for no good reason (yes, doping is not a good reason to get banned) if you play the match fairly using legal raquets/clothing etc and you win, then that result should be final...and to those who use the cheating argument, then i propose this: you should make it mandatory fof the doper to admit what he/she took and give the opponent an option to match or beat that drug, or do nothing at all. and no, i also dont buy the protect the athlete from himself justification either, the tours should not be a babysitter, not the drug test clowns..

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