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Question: Is the WTA really doing away with Bonus points?

I apologize in advance if this has been discussed in depth, but I've only been to visiting sporatically so I don't know the status of this rumor (that I saw a few weeks back).

If I understand it correctly, the WTA is going to a ranking system similar to the ATP and are going to abolish quality pts/use only round points for the rankings and reorganize them in December. (But use the old system/rankings to determine Aussie Open seeding.) Is that right?

If this is true, have any of you numbers geeks had a go at reorganizing the rankings (w/o quality pts) yourself yet? Just curious as to how this will affect the current standings if it's indeed the case.

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Yes and Yes But you cant search here anymore but someone definately did do altered rankings....
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So someone did crunch the numbers but no one can show them to me?

Oh well, guess I'll be waiting for the official version. Thanks, ramjam.
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So someone did crunch the numbers but no one can show them to me?

Oh well, guess I'll be waiting for the official version. Thanks, ramjam.
Yes someone did a while ago but you cant use the search option anymore. Unless you want to trawl through page upon page of past General MEssage theads you could find it that way
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http://www.wtatour.com/rankings/singles_numeric.asp

Fourth column minus fifth column.
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Fourth column minus fifth column.
Or that too
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Fourth column minus fifth column.
That's not correct. If you subtract the quality points, the list of "best 17" tournaments may not be the same. It may be true for most players who don't get beyond the 1st round in more than 17 tourneys, but those who do it could make a difference.

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I apologize in advance if this has been discussed in depth, but I've only been to visiting sporatically so I don't know the status of this rumor (that I saw a few weeks back).

If I understand it correctly, the WTA is going to a ranking system similar to the ATP and are going to abolish quality pts/use only round points for the rankings and reorganize them in December. (But use the old system/rankings to determine Aussie Open seeding.) Is that right?

If this is true, have any of you numbers geeks had a go at reorganizing the rankings (w/o quality pts) yourself yet? Just curious as to how this will affect the current standings if it's indeed the case.

Thanks in advance to any & all who reply.
I know that the entries will be based on the old system's rankings, but the seedings too?
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So when the new ranking system will be effective for entries?

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That's not correct. If you subtract the quality points, the list of "best 17" tournaments may not be the same. It may be true for most players who don't get beyond the 1st round in more than 17 tourneys, but those who do it could make a difference.
The difference is negligible in most, if not all cases.
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http://www.wtatour.com/rankings/singles_numeric.asp

Fourth column minus fifth column.
hopefully they will take them off one week at a time
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The difference is negligible in most, if not all cases.
There is a difference for some players, at least.
For all players who haven't won a match (including quallies) in more than 17 tournaments it is surely right, for the rest you should check their activity record to be sure. One win over a high-ranked player could be better than 2 wins over low-ranked players in the current system, but it won't be when quality points are out of the system.

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Current Ranking: 40, 789 pts, 35 tournaments
2007 race to the championship: 26, 293 pts, 8 tournaments
Year-end Ranking: 2006 - 46, 2005 - 8, 2004 - 63, 2003 - 146

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I apologize in advance if this has been discussed in depth, but I've only been to visiting sporatically so I don't know the status of this rumor (that I saw a few weeks back).

If I understand it correctly, the WTA is going to a ranking system similar to the ATP and are going to abolish quality pts/use only round points for the rankings and reorganize them in December. (But use the old system/rankings to determine Aussie Open seeding.) Is that right?

If this is true, have any of you numbers geeks had a go at reorganizing the rankings (w/o quality pts) yourself yet? Just curious as to how this will affect the current standings if it's indeed the case.

Thanks in advance to any & all who reply.
If you look at how they'd look without thw quality points - it won't tell you anything about how the rankings will look like when they stop giving bonus points because the bonus points earned this year will still stay.

They won't change it so one week you've got all your bonus points and the next week all the bonus points you earned will just be taken away. When they change - they are just going to stop giving bonus points for all tournaments from that date on. Therefore it will take a further year before all bonus points earned are out the system.

If this is all they do it will mean that during this transition year points earned for tournaments in 2005 will be worth much more than for tournaments in 2006. For example immediately after the AO - whoever wins that will have far fewer points for that without the bonus points than the 2005 slam winners -Kim, Venus and Justine. All the time any 2005 points still count, it will be harder to climb the rankings in 2006 because you will be earning fewer points. However, that will become less and less of a problem as time goes by and the 2005 points are dropped and will not be a problem at all when the whole transition phase is complete after a year.
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I just repeat one of my message that I post in a similar thread.

Quality Points Elimination

For the next year, the quality points will be eliminated from the ranking.
Players will be used 2005 ranking (including all quality points earned in 2005) to enter the the first 6 weeks of tournaments in 2006.
The ranking used for seeding at these tournaments will be the most recent ranking meaning that the seed ranking at these tournaments will not include quality points.

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I still don't get WHY they're doing this It complicates things so much more. Are they really that lazy to calculate bonus points :retard:

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