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How much does the absence of Jen, Martina, Monica, etc hurt the women's game?

During the course of the season, I noticed a couple of sports writers (Liz Clarke and Bruce Jenkins) claim that Jennifer wasn't missed at all this year. As a Jen fan, my first thought was, yeah f-ing right. It was obvious they don't like Jennifer and instead of saying "I don't miss her", they put those feelings into the tennis fanbase. However, what if we took that statement seriously? If a popular 3 time Grand Slam winner, who has played in over a dozen thrilling Grand Slam matches in recent years, and recently wound up as talk show fodder for "dating" a porn hunk, is NOT MISSED, then that pretty much says that none of the players even matter.

IMO, I think that the opinions expressed by these two writers: that Jennifer is basically expendable and not important to the game of tennis sucks. The game would be so much better if Jen, MOnica, Martina, Justine, Serena, and everyone else was healthy and playing. How much more exciting would the FO be if Guga were contending again? ETc. Etc.

I don't get the mentality that as long as you have two players hitting the ball back and forth, it doesn't matter who the heck is playing. Maybe we should just clone Ivo Karlovic 500 times and let everyone else retire while the clones serve each other to a billion tiebreaks.

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They are/were wonderful Players and of course are all missed,but the senario is very similar to a pack of pigdogs,You have this good dog Who is Your main finder /bailer Who basically finds the old pig and bails Him up till the rest get there after hearing His/Her steady barking. I always used to think,what if that dog comes to a sticky end(which is always on the cards with a pig) but when it happens there is always another young dog that steps up and takes Their place, not as good at first,but after a while You stop moaning about poor old departed one.
I think this applies a bit with tennis Players,never forgotten, but more or less replaced

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I dearly miss Monica and would love the idea of Hingis coming back but they've been away from the tour long enough for the tour to have moved on from them. JCap's pressence is more recent and she's got more of history with the Beligians, the Russians, and few of the others who've made their way up the ranks. If both Monica and Hingis could maintain a competitive level of play with the Big girls it would be great to have them back, but with each passing day it seems more and more unlikely. JCap still has time but not much...

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it would be awesome if players like Hingis, Seles, Capriati, Dokic, Kournikova all came back they were (still are) some of my fav players and they make it more intense i think if they were all back and others favs like Clijsters, Sharapova, Davenport, Myskina, Williams Sisters there would be more battles for No1 and it would make each Tournament more exciting than ever.
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it would be awesome if players like Hingis, Seles, Capriati, Dokic, Kournikova all came back they were (still are) some of my fav players and they make it more intense i think if they were all back and others favs like Clijsters, Sharapova, Davenport, Myskina, Williams Sisters there would be more battles for No1 and it would make each Tournament more exciting than ever.
I would have taken this statement seriously if you did not have Kournikova in there. Anyone interested purely in tennis and tournament and GS wins knows that Kournikova was not a factor in that regard.

The players whose absence would hurt the game are those who are right there in the second week of slams contending and winning!

As Martina once said after beating Anna in the fourth round of one of the slams, I forget which one "Now the tournament begins for the stars"!!!!!

If I remember correctly,Anna reached the semi-finals of Wimbledon, and the Quarterfinals of the Aussie Open and not much. And no I'm not talking about Doubles.

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It's always easy to imagine what a season would be like with all the experienced and proven players in contention and playing well. Absolutely it would make for a more exciting and competitive season and in doing that, the game itself would suffer, to a point, if you removed several of those players that have proven their ability to win. I also have to echo Sir Stefwhits comments about the length of time a player has been out as to what effect that absence would ultimately have. Even so, I agree that the women's tour would be more exciting and competitive if players like Jen, Monica, Hingis, etc. were still playing.
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During the course of the season, I noticed a couple of sports writers (Liz Clarke and Bruce Jenkins) claim that Jennifer wasn't missed at all this year. As a Jen fan, my first thought was, yeah f-ing right. It was obvious they don't like Jennifer and instead of saying "I don't miss her", they put those feelings into the tennis fanbase. However, what if we took that statement seriously? If a popular 3 time Grand Slam winner, who has played in over a dozen thrilling Grand Slam matches in recent years, and recently wound up as talk show fodder for "dating" a porn hunk, is NOT MISSED, then that pretty much says that none of the players even matter.

IMO, I think that the opinions expressed by these two writers: that Jennifer is basically expendable and not important to the game of tennis sucks. The game would be so much better if Jen, MOnica, Martina, Justine, Serena, and everyone else was healthy and playing. How much more exciting would the FO be if Guga were contending again? ETc. Etc.

I don't get the mentality that as long as you have two players hitting the ball back and forth, it doesn't matter who the heck is playing. Maybe we should just clone Ivo Karlovic 500 times and let everyone else retire while the clones serve each other to a billion tiebreaks.

I'm not surprised about Liz Clarke saying this (bitch!), but Bruce Jenkins? He's usually good about these things, but alot of the sports writers this year jumped on the Nadal bandwagon, and seemed bored of the WTA.

Jen is missed. I can see so many loop holes in draws, where player X may not have gone on nor won the events. There were alot of early year flukes, and if Jen was in the draw I wonder if some of these players would have made the finals.

I think it mainly affects the up, and coming players or the ones like Patty or Dechy rather than the top ones. Still I don't think the early Middle East events, and the summer hardcourt ones would have had the same outcome. I do believe the clay events, and grass events would've had the same results, but it's the indoor stuff, and the hardcourt ones that may have had different outcomes.

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I would have taken this statement seriously if you did not have Kournikova in there. Anyone interested purely in tennis and tournament and GS wins knows that Kournikova was not a factor in that regard.

The players whose absence would hurt the game are those who are right there in the second week of slams contending and winning!

As Martina once said after beating Anna in the fourth round of one of the slams, I forget which one "Now the tournament begins for the stars"!!!!!

If I remember correctly,Anna reached the semi-finals of Wimbledon, and the Quarterfinals of the Aussie Open and not much. And no I'm not talking about Doubles.
even if she has never won a tournament i still think she was a great player the reasons she never won in singles was all mental she has had great matches against some of the top players and she still made it intense and enjoyable to watch.
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Kournikova was a very good player. I am so tired of people belittling her tennis game.
She was the number two junior second only to one of the all time greats Martina Hingis.
She reats the top 20 at a very youg age and stayes there for substancial amount of time. She played the top tournaments never the small ones going for an easy tournament win.
She was a very very good top 20 she was even in the top ten at a very youg age.
Oviously your tennis career declined because of outside activities
But she was one of the top tennis players and one of the very best athletes yes athletes on the tour.
Why this distortion of her accomplishments as a tennis player, just because she was gorgeous and made a lot of money with that?
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Kournikova was a very good player. I am so tired of people belittling her tennis game.
She was the number two junior second only to one of the all time greats Martina Hingis.
She reats the top 20 at a very youg age and stayes there for substancial amount of time. She played the top tournaments never the small ones going for an easy tournament win.
She was a very very good top 20 she was even in the top ten at a very youg age.
Oviously your tennis career declined because of outside activities
But she was one of the top tennis players and one of the very best athletes yes athletes on the tour.
Why this distortion of her accomplishments as a tennis player, just because she was gorgeous and made a lot of money with that?
I would imagine breaking the top 20 is a feat that few on the women's tour will ever see. Anna Kournikova broke the top 10, you can't do that on looks, the girl has talent - and I suspect that she could probably break back in if she were so inclined although it would be tougher now because of all the young talent. But make no mistake, Anna had the skills to crack the top 10 and no one can erase that.
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Anna reached her career high of number 8 in November 2000, she then went on to make the QF of the Aus Open in '01 and then was struck down with injury and didnt play any other slam in '01. At this stage she still had not turned 20!!! don't disrespect her....people stupidly forget what kind of player anna was and choose to beat up on her about what kind of player she was in '02 and '03.

In '96 as a 15 yr old in only her 2nd tour event she reached the 4th round of the US Open losing to Graf. At 16 yrs of age she beat 4 top 10 players in consecutive days to reach the final of Miami (defeating Seles, Martinez, Davenport and Sanchez Vicario!!!!), she gave Graf only her 3rd loss on grass in the 90's!!,

She had a record 2 year run without losing to anyone outside the top 15!!!

On top of her singles she was a great doubles player, winning 2 slams, 2 year end championships and was year end number 1.

She doesnt get the respect she deserves. SHe was at the height of her career at the start of 2001 when all the injuries hit.

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I'm so glad that people understand that she had a great game one which i thought was enjoyable to watch.
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...she gave Graf only her 3rd loss on grass in the 90's!!...
Her one win over Steffi was at the QF's of Eastbourne, it wasn't a 3rd round loss. ...and yes Anna was hyped up during the time she was playing, but the way she's viewed now- she's underated. She was a force and on a good day could give any top player some tough competition.

I would say she was the modern day Petrova.

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Her one win over Steffi was at the QF's of Eastbourne, it wasn't a 3rd round loss. ...and yes Anna was hyped up during the time she was playing, but the way she's viewed now- she's underated. She was a force and on a good day could give any top player some tough competition.

I would say she was the modern day Petrova.
He said THIRD loss on grasscourts in the the 1990s, not 3rd round loss.

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He said THIRD loss on grasscourts in the the 1990s, not 3rd round loss.
Glad some people can still read

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