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post #1 of 99 (permalink) Old Sep 27th, 2005, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
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#1 or a Slam? (another version)

Let's see what people answer to this question.

Imagine your name is Evonne Goolagong. You've won 6 GS titles already but haven't been #1, ever, because of Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova. You can choose to end your career with either 7th slam or reaching the top spot. Your choice?
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another slam......
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slam...duh.
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In this situation, it is truly a no-brainer - #1 is a very exclusive club, whilst the difference between 6 and 7 Slams legacy-wise is minimal.
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#1 for sure

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I thought she had seven slams?
I'd go with No. 8.

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the no.1 spot-shes already won enough slams-you gotts put the icing on top with the no1 ranking
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If I already had 6 slams, Id rather be #1 at that point.


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Another slam, rankings are just numbers, while grand slams are a true testament to a player's potential/skill.

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I thought she had seven slams?
I'd go with No. 8.
Hmm - I like the thought of her giving up her 7th slam (Wimbledon 1980) for #1. Then Chris Evert wins that one. I was so disappointed Chris didn't win - never looked like even getting into the match that day. The rain interruptions didn't change her fortunes either.

Anyway - assuming she could chose between slam #8 and #1 ranking - I'd say slam #8 if it was the US Open cos she never won that - but probably go for #1 ranking more than winning one of the other slams she'd already won before.

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In this situation, it is truly a no-brainer - #1 is a very exclusive club, whilst the difference between 6 and 7 Slams legacy-wise is minimal.
We went over this in another thread (A brief, incomplete treatise on the WTA ranking system, and the #1 ranking), so I won't repeat it all here, but #1, under the divisor sytem, is a very exclusive club. Under the 'best 17' system, it's a lot less exclusive.

There were six #1's in 21 years under the divisor system.

There have been NINE #1's in only seven years under versions of the current system; 'best 17 tournaments' or 'best 18 tournaments.

(There was one year, 1997, where they used a total point system a la the current Porsche system.)

I ceratinly can't see a player giving up a slam title for the #1 ranking NOW. Our current #1 didn't even make a slam final this year. Measured against that, actually winning a slam is a much more significant accomplishment.

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Obviously number 1. :retard:
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We went over this in another thread (A brief, incomplete treatise on the WTA ranking system, and the #1 ranking), so I won't repeat it all here, but #1, under the divisor sytem, is a very exclusive club. Under the 'best 17' system, it's a lot less exclusive.

There were six #1's in 21 years under the divisor system.

There have been NINE #1's in only seven years under versions of the current system; 'best 17 tournaments' or 'best 18 tournaments.

(There was one year, 1997, where they used a total point system a la the current Porsche system.)

I ceratinly can't see a player giving up a slam title for the #1 ranking NOW. Our current #1 didn't even make a slam final this year. Measured against that, actually winning a slam is a much more significant accomplishment.
Under the same logic, there has been 4 different Slam winners 2 years in a row now, so one could question how exclusive is that. Notice how some people always bitch when some lower-ranked player wins a Slam? According to them, it reduces prestige of the Slam if someone like Johansson or Costa can win it without doing anything noteworthy rest of the year.

I haven't crunched up the numbers personally, but under divisor system there would have been almost as many different #1's; of course, that is somewhat of a redundant excorcise since players tune their schedule according to ranking system. But the fact is that list of obscure and forgotten Slam winners over the last 30 years is lot longer than list of obscure and forgotten #1's.

For someone like Goolagong in this hypothetical situation who is already a multiple Slam champion, adding up another Slam does little legacy-wise (unless she completes career Slam, and that is lot less relevant for women anyway). When you've already won 6 Slams, winning 1 more isn't going to make people remember you better. By contrast, #1 ranking would be completely new milestone.
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