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post #1 of 100 (permalink) Old Sep 26th, 2005, 01:15 PM Thread Starter
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Best player to have never Won a Slam: Elena D vs Amelie

Jon Wertheim recently said in his eyes, he moved Elena D above Amelie after Fed Cup as the best player to have not won a Slam.

Initially, I didn't agree, but after reviewing their current positions, maybe Jon isn't too off the mark.

1) H2H - Elena has evened up to 5 a piece, defeating Amelie 3 times in a row in 3 very important tournaments.

2) Elena has reached more GS finals and has reached them in the last few years (Amelie reached one slam final in 1999).

3) Amelie's game today is not as effective as it can be. Elena is a hard hitter extraordinaire, with the perfect physique for today's game. Her flatter shots and power have helped her defeat a range of the top players over the past few years.

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4) Amelie has been No. 1, a reflection of her success, consistency and talent.

5) Amelie has many more titles, of a higher status.

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6) Mental toughness is a very good indicator of Slam Champ material. many would agree that Elena D is more mentally tough than Amelie.

What do you think? Based on RECENT performances, today's competitor's and their game styles, who is more likely to win a Slam. Is Elena now the best player to have never won a Slam after her rousing victories in Fed Cup?


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after watching her fed cup matches, i'll have to say elena is the better player. she fought so hard for every point and really did very well considering her weak serve. if she continues hitting like that for all her tournaments, a slam win isn't that far away!

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elena d for sure btw i think u should make a poll
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There you go

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Yeah a poll would be nice. I think Lena D is the best player not to have won a slam. I think Amelie lacks the mental toughness for the big time games, but that was also said about Kim prior to this years US Open. But Lena is a fighter and if nothing else her matches are always dramatic and fun to watch. When Lena losses it is usually in a real battle (of nerves), Amelie sometimes looks just plain horrible in her losses (esp. in the Slams).

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LenaD. It's hard to think about how successful she could be if she could win that one extra match. Realistically, she could be a 2 time GS champion, a Gold Medalist in the Olympics, she could have won at least 3 Tier 1 titles...it's hard to comprehend sometimes. I think that with this win in Fed Cup we will see a new Elena though. She knows she was the sole reason they won the title and that must give her new confidence.

Amelie is a good player and owns almost all Russians minus LenaD --- I think that says enough about her talent. Amelie is more accomplished and has been #1 but I still feel LenaD is the better player.

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dementieva- is used to think amelie was the best player to never have won a slam but her game seems to be going backwards. she is mentally weak and she needs to hit with more power to live with the pace of the other top girls. dementieva seems extremely determined to win a slam and her only real weakness is the serve which is improving. she has the best forehand/backhand combination out of the top players (most have only one strong shot) and probably the best forehand along with kuznetsova.

plus dementieva's younger than mauresmo and doesnt seem to be as injured as the other top players
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Amelie, she has no weaknesses in her game as severe and deadly as Elena, although I think Elena is one of the toughest players mentally taking so much pressure of her serving and going on....

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Amelie. I think she has an amazing game when she is on, and has a shot at winning all the slams, whereas Elena will NEVER win wimbledon with that serve.

The difference is, that Elena is just mentally stonger. But I still believe Amelie will do it one day.
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Momo, even though Elena D has had the edge lately in slams, momo has been more consistent ...


mauresmo:
Grand Slam (singles) History
WL 05 04 03 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91
AUSTRALIAN OPEN 24-6 QF QF - QF 4r 2r F 3r - - - - - - -
ROLAND GARROS 19-11 3r QF QF 4r 1r 4r 2r 1r 2r 2r 1r - - - -
WIMBLEDON 18-6 SF SF - SF 3r 1r - 2r - - - - - - -
US OPEN 26-7 QF QF QF SF QF - 4r 3r - - - - - - -
= 1F, 4SF, 9QF, 4 4r
Championships History
WL 04 03 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91
Singles 5-6 SF F - 4r - 4r - - - - - - - -


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Grand Slam (singles) History
WL 05 04 03 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91
AUSTRALIAN OPEN 11-7 4r 1r 1r 4r 3r 3r 2r - - - - - - - -
ROLAND GARROS 15-6 4r F 1r 4r 2r 2r 2r - - - - - - - -
WIMBLEDON 11-7 4r 1r 4r 4r 3r 1r 1r - - - - - - - -
US OPEN 24-7 SF F 4r 2r 4r SF 3r - - - - - - - -
= 2F, 2SF, 8 4r
Championships History
WL 04 03 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91
Singles 3-8 1r 1r 4r 4r SF - - - - - - - - -
Doubles - - W - - - - - - - - - - -



momo 17 career titles vs elena d 4 career titles

Both have silver medals at the olympics game: Amélie (2004), Elena D (2000)

if fed cup was deciding factor, then they would count it for ranking pts
(plus both have won it )

Mauresmo leads 5-4
Rnk/Seed Year Event Surface Rnd Winner Score Rnk/Seed
34/8 1998 PRAGUE CLAY (O) R32 A. MAURESMO 6-7(5) 7-6(3) 6-1
16/10 1999 ITALIAN OPEN CLAY (O) R32 A. MAURESMO 1-6 6-3 7-5
15/6 2001 AMELIA ISLAND CLAY (O) Q A. MAURESMO
W/O 9/3
7/3 2003 PARIS CARPET (I) S A. MAURESMO 6-0 6-0
6/3 2003 TORONTO HARD (O) Q E. DEMENTIEVA 3-6 6-4 6-2
7/2 2003 MOSCOW CARPET (I) S A. MAURESMO 6-4 6-1
6/-- 2003 TOUR CHAMPIONSHIPS HARD (I) R1 A. MAURESMO 6-3 6-2
3/3 2004 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) Q E. DEMENTIEVA 6-4 6-3
2/2 2004 US OPEN HARD (O) Q E. DEMENTIEVA 4-6 6-4 7-6(1)
4/-- 2005 FED CUP FINAL CLAY (O) R4 E. DEMENTIEVA 6-4 4-6 6-2

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I agree Lena D is mentally tougher, but I don't think Amelie chokes nearly as often as people claim, and Lena D has had some gag-fests as well over the years, particularly against Myskina. But more often than not, Lena D goes down swinging and never stops going for her shots, particularly at majors. That's the sign of a great champion. But Amelie can be amazingly dominant outside the majors, something Lena D can only dream of. That time Amelie was No. 1, she won a load of Tier I's that year and then made the Chase finals. And Amelie is rarely a first or very early round casualty at a major and she almost always only loses to high-quality players at majors, you don't see a tight third set against like someone barely in the Top 100 in an early round.
To me, I sort of have written off Amelie as ever winning a major, for whatever reason, either mental or inability to raise her game at crucial times, she just doesn't play her best at majors. Lena D often can.

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I don't think Elena is there quite yet. She needs to make a few more semis.

Amelie's GS record as shown above is in the mold of past "best players to have never one a slam." So many semifinals.
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I feel people are still shortchanging Amelie.

It's not that the woman has performed terribly or anything. Look at her results and Lena D's results at the Slams this year. At the AO, Amelie lost to the eventual champ (in an ugly match) in the QF, while Lena D failed to close out a 4th Round match against Patty (due to the excessive heat that day). At RG, Amelie lost in a tight three-setter in the 3rd Round to Ana Ivanovic, her worst GS result since Wimbledon 2001. Lena D fell to Likhovtseva in the Round of 16 in a match she really should have won. At Wimbledon, Momo reached the semis and very nearly beat Davenport (should have!) and Lena D should have beaten Myskina but crumbled. The US Open is the only Slam Lena D outperformed Amelie. Momo lost in the quarters to Pierce and Lena lost to Pierce in the semis. Atleast Lena managed to win a set against Big Momma.

Where am I going with all this? Simply, to look at their entire season, not just the last couple of weeks. Looking at US Open and Fed Cup results, Lena is Top 5 easily, atm. But, there's a reason why it's Momo who's currently in the Top 5 and not Lena. Amelie has had a pretty decent year. Not her best. But, quite decent. I just feel many people seem to have forgotten that.

And since people seem so hot on double bagels in WTA World, Momo did defeat Lena D 6-0, 6-0 in Paris in 2002. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to take anything away from Lena D. She's already achieved so much and she has it in her to win a Slam, but Amelie isn't quite the flash in the pan everyone is making her out to be.

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