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Injured or not, Serena is LAZY and needs to work harder.

That's the only explanation for her piss poor results lately. She's not putting in enough hard work on the court. You don't go from winning a Grand Slam beating Sharapova and Davenport to losing to people outside of the world's top 120 in a matter of months. It doesn't work like that. Her knee might not be 100%, but it's certainly good enough to compete. If it weren't, she would have pulled out of the tournament. Lord knows she has done this enough times in her career.

I question her commitment to tennis right now. I'm not sure if she had more than that one practice session which pictures were posted of between her loss to Venus and her loss tonight. There is no excuse for the way she has been performing lately. Nobody dealing with an ailment hits a ball like that. Serena's movement is fine, it's her strokes that are awful right now. Serena has won Grand Slams with injuries like this in the past

I've said all along that Venus wants the results more than Serena. She's the one who has played a full schedule for the last two years. She's the one who has been working on adding techniques to her game like coming into the net. She's the one who has avoided the Hollywood bullshit. Serena needs to do the same or she will be finished at 24. She deserves better than that.

She needs to get it together because she's already out of the top 10 and won't be able to make it to the Masters this year to defend her points. An early loss in the Australian Open and Serena may actually find herself well outside the top 30...roughly around the #37 or #38 ranking spot
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That's the only explanation for her piss poor results lately. She's not putting in enough hard work on the court. You don't go from winning a Grand Slam beating Sharapova and Davenport to losing to people outside of the world's top 120 in a matter of months. It doesn't work like that. Her knee might not be 100%, but it's certainly good enough to compete. If it weren't, she would have pulled out of the tournament. Lord knows she has done this enough times in her career.

I question her commitment to tennis right now. I'm not sure if she had more than that one practice session which pictures were posted of between her loss to Venus and her loss tonight. There is no excuse for the way she has been performing lately. Nobody dealing with an ailment hits a ball like that. Serena's movement is fine, it's her strokes that are awful right now. Serena has won Grand Slams with injuries like this in the past

I've said all along that Venus wants the results more than Serena. She's the one who has played a full schedule for the last two years. She's the one who has been working on adding techniques to her game like coming into the net. She's the one who has avoided the Hollywood bullshit. Serena needs to do the same or she will be finished at 24. She deserves better than that.

She needs to get it together because she's already out of the top 10 and won't be able to make it to the Masters this year to defend her points. An early loss in the Australian Open and Serena may actually find herself well outside the top 30...roughly around the #37 or #38 ranking spot
I think Serena now is commited to tennis, as illustrated by her last declaration in the press. Maybe pre-wimbledon she was not.
And I do not agree that her knee is good enough to compete.

She has now put ther heart and mind to tennis, just that her body is lagging behind. She may need more time than she thought to heal, rehabilitate and training for match readiness. In her current knee (or other injury) condition she cannot train hard enough at a level that suits her game: physicality and athletism.

Not knowing you, I assume you are saying all these things out frustration.

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Just a few months ago, these words were directed at Venus. Suddenly that has all vanished and now Serena has replaced Venus. That alone makes this sort of post and any commentary outside of this board reek of bs. Frankly the criticism towards Venus was unfair and unbelievable for the fact that it's done by people not within the camp, and people who couldn't possibly know what is going on with either player. Serena's loss today a surprise, and an unwelcomed one for many, but it isn't the end of the world. Serena more than anyone knows what she needs to do. As a fan the disappointment of a loss as well as the joy at a win should be tempered when one remembers that all we are only fans and not the player.

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When Serena had the knee surgery and took so long to come back, I was worried about what was really happening. This time, I think she does just takes a long time to recover. Rehab can be very difficult and does require daily discipline in regards to exercises meant to strengthen recovering muscles. I suspect that with all the travelling etc she does, that the exercises are not always being done on a daily basis. This would drag out the recovery time. I think she probably doesn't always follow the advice she is given, she seems rather spontaneous to me.
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Just a few months ago, these words were directed at Venus. Suddenly that has all vanished and now Serena has replaced Venus. Frankly the criticism towards Venus was unfair and unbelievable for the fact that it's done by people not within the camp, and people who couldn't possibly know what is going on with either player. Serena's loss today a surprise, and an unwelcomed one for many, but it isn't the end of the world. Serena more than anyone knows what she needs to do. As a fan the disappointment of a loss as well as the joy at a win should be tempered when one remembers that all we are only fans and not the player.
I was never one of the people who harbored criticism at Venus. I've always said she was working hard, but for whatever reason the results weren't coming. You could tell, albeit in fragments, that she was trying to incorporate moving forward into her game, as well as attempting to be a bit more conservative with her forehand until she felt fully confident with it again. She also played a full schedule last year for the first time in her 10+ years on tour. It was only a matter of time before she got her groove back.

Venus also had injuries like Serena, but played through them more or less. As a result, her slump wasn't as bad as Serena's and her losses weren't nearly as awful. Losing to Raymond or Golovin or Karantacheva (who was a few points away from the FO semis) is a whole different ballpark than losing to journeywomen like Craybas or players outside of the top 100 that can't even make it to the final weekend in challenger events for the most part.
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I was never one of the people who harbored criticism at Venus. I've always said she was working hard, but for whatever reason the results weren't coming. You could tell, albeit in fragments, that she was trying to incorporate moving forward into her game, as well as attempting to be a bit more conservative with her forehand until she felt fully confident with it again. She also played a full schedule last year for the first time in her 10+ years on tour. It was only a matter of time before she got her groove back.
First, Venus and Serena are two different people. Even if they were twins, they would still be individuals and should be treated as such. Their connection as sisters recently is being used against both and in an ironic way, the comparison does harm to both. A backwards compliment to Venus is really not a compliment to her at all as at the same time it is an insult to Serena.

You may not have been one of the ones to criticise Venus pre-Wimbledon 2005, but your criticism of Serena falls in line with what Venus had to endure on these boards and elsewhere with fans and commentators. The parallel is now it's directed towards Serena. Venus' struggles had nothing to do with Serena and the same is said in Serena's case.

Again, these are two separate individuals, both successful in their own right and the comparison trivializes their success as well as their losses.

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Venus also had injuries like Serena, but played through them more or less. As a result, her slump wasn't as bad as Serena's and her losses weren't nearly that terrible. Losing to Raymond or Golovin or Karantacheva (who was a few points away from the FO semis) is a whole different ballpark than losing to players outside of the top 100 that can't even make it to the final weekend in challenger events for the most part.
Venus is Venus and Serena is Serena. That is where the comparison to begin and end. Serena isn't anymore lazy now as Venus was when Venus was the one 'overshadowed' by kid sister.

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This time, I think she does just takes a long time to recover. Rehab can be very difficult and does require daily discipline in regards to exercises meant to strengthen recovering muscles. I suspect that with all the travelling etc she does, that the exercises are not always being done on a daily basis. This would drag out the recovery time. I think she probably doesn't always follow the advice she is given, she seems rather spontaneous to me.
I agree with you there on the discipline and consistency required to follow the daily prescribed routines when going through a rehabilitation. And certainly the travelling would make it difficult to follow the doctor's or physical therapist recommendations. But I think she knows it now and will hopefully get serious at working on it.

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I was never one of the people who harbored criticism at Venus. I've always said she was working hard, but for whatever reason the results weren't coming. You could tell, albeit in fragments, that she was trying to incorporate moving forward into her game, as well as attempting to be a bit more conservative with her forehand until she felt fully confident with it again. She also played a full schedule last year for the first time in her 10+ years on tour. It was only a matter of time before she got her groove back.

Venus also had injuries like Serena, but played through them more or less. As a result, her slump wasn't as bad as Serena's and her losses weren't nearly as awful. Losing to Raymond or Golovin or Karantacheva (who was a few points away from the FO semis) is a whole different ballpark than losing to journeywomen like Craybas or players outside of the top 100 that can't even make it to the final weekend in challenger events for the most part.
This is probably the most fair post regarding Serena I've seen in a long time.

Even if you're the biggest Serena supporter there is, you have to acknowledge that something needs to change when a future Hall of Fame player goes from saving match points to win a Grand Slam to losing to World No. 129 in less than a year. Serena is better than this, and she owes it to herself to do something about it...whether it means working harder or letting her knee heal.
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I agree.

Serena's way of thinking is totally wrong currently. She still thinks she's the best player. She's not. And she doesn't think she has to work hard to get back. She's wrong.

Her movement is now in Davenport terrority and Serena's not consisent enough to get away with this.

Venus has shown she can do it, but is Serena willing to put the effort in in? I think that currently she isn't
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