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Kim Clijsters winning the US Open - Why can't I believe?

Clijsters has been so strong on Deco-Turf this year there almost isn't a #2. I can't recall an instance where a player was this strong on this particular surface (Deco-Turf II), yet I just didn't believe in her when the slam came around.

When Venus, Serena, Davenport, Hingis, Graf, Seles, etc dominated the summer hardcourts, you expected a US Open win. And, barring injury, it almost always happened. But this time, that dominant player is one I've seen repeatedly have braincramps in finals. Double-faults in tie-breakers, bad decisions, sudden outbreaks of poor execution. I can see her beating Serena in a QF, because Serena, to my eye, injured, overweight and not match tough.

But a night match in prime time vs Venus? No way. But it IS a F, and she beat VEnus a month ago. (Fatigue! Fatigue! Yada yada yada I know already.) If Clijsters plays Sharapova she'll beat her, but Henin-Hardenne or Davenport? In a final? A slam final? No. My betting hand won't put down money on that. But who else can you pick to win the tournament? (I know, I know. Venus is going to win the tournament, but let's pretend we're using reason here. ) Clijsters entered six of the nine tournaments played on this surface. She won five of them. Including three of the four Tier I's. If Venus had that record, I'd be inviting all my friends over for the coronation.

How do you know when a player has learned to play her best when the lights are brightest?

How do you know if a player has learned to play her best when the lights are brightest?

There's a reason to question every other contender. The only reason to question Clijsters is her past performance in slam finals. Is the incredibly impressive performance she's put on in tournaments with the same surface as the US Open enough to put that aside?

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If Venus/Serena play Clijsters in the QF, the winner of that match will win the tournament I think
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No it's not enough to put that aside. Just like with anyone else you just gotta wait and see what they'll do. As far as Lindsay last year, I knew she was playing the best of anyone, but I still didn't believe she would win. I always thought she would let the pressure get to her and lose. I know she got injured, but she played well to get up 3-0 in the third set of the SF, but mentally collapsed after that along with Sveta hitting great FH's.
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If Venus/Serena play Clijsters in the QF, the winner of that match will win the tournament I think
I agree, if Kim indeed does beat Venus that should shoot her confidence to the moon and she really should roll to the title.
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It feels like the longer a player takes to win big, the harder it is perceived to be. Amelie and lindsay have been a strong players these last couple years with the williams and belgians being non factors. Surely it was logical to expect them to share in the spoils but they didn't. Kim too has that aura around her too, she has everything to win a slam but for many people it does not mean she will win it. in so many ways she has to prove she can do it, just as lindsay and amelie still have to prove they can do it.
One can expect an ailing serena, even myskina to have an inpsired moment and go ahead and win the title before kim winning becomes a reality. Does not mean she cannot win, just means she remains to be convincing on the big stage.

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Still think she won't win the Open for some reasons


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It feels like the longer a player takes to win big, the harder it is perceived to be. Amelie and lindsay have been a strong players these last couple years with the williams and belgians being non factors. Surely it was logical to expect them to share in the spoils but they didn't.
But they differ.

Mauresmo only has the one slam final. She's so good, we've never used the word 'fluke' before, but it's been almost six years. She hasn't made another final. maybe she's truly a second teir player. Impressive, but not truly elite.

Davenport, OTOH, has three GG titles, and two finals this year. At least four or five finals since her last GS win. So in her case, it's easy to still believe.

What makes Clijsters unique is the WAY she lost four GS finals. In her very first, she double-faulted a couple time in crucial third set she lost 10-12. That set the tone. She simply faulters under pressure. I try to imagine her winning a GS title constantly playing 'uphill' as Venus did at Wimbledon this year, and it's laughable. Any other time? yes. Not in a GS.

In fairness, not having to fuck Lleyton Hewitt (especially when you're underage) has to improve the situation.

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What makes Clijsters unique is the WAY she lost four GS finals. In her very first, she double-faulted a couple time in crucial third set she lost 10-12. That set the tone. She simply faulters under pressure. I try to imagine her winning a GS title constantly playing 'uphill' as Venus did at Wimbledon this year, and it's laughable. Any other time? yes. Not in a GS.
The course of tennis history for the last four years probably would have been completely different if she had have won that first final. What was she 2 pts from the match 12 times? That final fucked her up big time. Someone may like to change my mind, but I don't think she's won a big three set match against an elite player in a GS since. Two losses to LD this year, a loss to JHH last year, a loss to each of Venus and Serena in '03, tight losses to Mauresmo and Capriati in '02. All matches she could have won. Has she had any good wins in GS where top players have actually applied the blow torch to her?

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In fairness, not having to fuck Lleyton Hewitt (especially when you're underage) has to improve the situation.
Actually she's probably missing his 9 inch dick. It's hard to find a guy with a monster cock like his.
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If she dodges injuries and doesnt win the USO this year..even if she perferms well...she will be around double figs for the AO....will be getting a little like mesmo..having had way to many chances.
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Oh no! Volcana doesn't believe in Kim's abilities My world is crushed
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I think that Kim will win this year. She shows such a stong tennis in the last weeks and months. She will beat Venus if they will play against each other.
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If she doesn't win this time, I'm a bit afraid, cause she's really the game to do it... I wish her all the best

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post #13 of 39 (permalink) Old Aug 27th, 2005, 11:28 AM
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This is tennis. Many fans believe Clijsters will beat Venus. How sure are you
guys.
Firsrly Gandslam is different from tier 1, 2, or 3. And Clijsters is good at
winning those. But grandslam is a different ball game and she is not been
able to win it for the past four visits at the finals.
My guess is Clijsters will win if she is able to beat Venus whom I know will
be the one to face her and Henin on the other side of the draw to be defeated by some unknown player in the drawn.
But again here comes Davenport. Clijsters' head-head with Davenport in
grandslam is not good if I am correct. So prediction of some fans about
Kim's victory at the last grandslam of the year may prove otherwise.
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i´m sure she´ll win.this american summer gave her a lot of confidence and she knows that she has a big chance...obviously,i´ll cheer for her!
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You can't ever know that a player has learnt to play her best in the biggest arenas of the sport until they do. All you can do is wait and see.
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