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Other than shortening the season possible ways to reduced injuries

I think there are other ways to shorten it. How about....

-having no tournaments the week after a Grand Slam
-have seperate US, European and Asian circuits, outside of 4 Slams, 5 men/women's Masters series events, DC/FC and the YEC. Less overseas travel could help a LOT.
-reduce the match load per week. All one week tournies (ATP, WTA) would have draws of 28 players. First round byes for top players is a GOOD idea
-get rid of best of 5 set matches for men for the first 4 rounds of Slams and for the finals of any one week tournies.

Any other ideas?

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Bye is not really goor idea! It's unfair for other player who can be injuried in this 1st round match!

Do you knows ow many girls would want to be in a Tier I draw?
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Honestly, I think much of the injuries are more a function of the way players hit the ball today. Plus, the game is so much quicker than it used to be because of the racket technology. Also, there's a lot of grueling off-court training takingj place that may be contributing to an injury. Look at Serena; she hardly plays, yet is constantly injured. She simply can't keep injury free. If a player is smart, they can create a schedule that affords plenty of rest. Clijsters, for example, should have never scheduled herself for three straight hardcourt tournaments, if she knew in advance she also would have to play in Toronto this week. That's nobody's fault but hers. The season is long enough and the opportunities are available for players to take good four-week break during the season, plus two months at the end of the season. You just have to be smart about it. Take Myskina this week. She's battling a shoulder injury, so what does she do. Plays Stockholm, where she certainly got appearance money, then jets halfway around the world to play the very next week. It's hard to sympathize with her. Those are just two examples that come to mind. I've always thought Davenport was daft for playing those three hard court tournaments in a row in California year after year. It's not asking too much of a tennis player to play a minimum of 15-16 tournaments a year. They can accomplish that and get the rest they need, too, if they're smart about it. As for this idea of having no tournaments the week after a Grand Slam, what does that do to benefit the top players. Usually, it's small tournaments the week after a grand slam, and the big players aren't playing them anyway. All that would do is rob the lesser knowns of opportunities.

The idea of separate tours harkens back to the old WCT days in the early 1970s, but I don't think the women could support that kind of tour. I'm also not a fan of reduced draws, because there again you're denying opportunity to the lesser lights, plus making it less likely for a tournament to make money.

I guess I'm not offering much constructive , but I believe the problem is primarily one of poor scheduling, and a different way of playing the game that puts more strain on the body. I'd like to see the season end at the end of October, but I don't think a shorter season will do anything to lessen the injuries.
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byes give the top players an unfair advantage. And dividing up the circuits geographically is basically already a reality, i fail to see what more could really be done in that respect.

Jenny i know that you are a Democrat and you believe regulation is needed to solve all problems. But i think we need to trust the market in this case.

Women's (and men's) tennis has a basic economic issue - a labor shortage, as we say in Econ 101. The WTA and ATP have more tournaments than their marquee players can support. It's an over-supply of sponsor dollars, which is a problem that any business should love to have. Either the market will correct the situation by cutting back the number of tournaments, or the over-supply of money will continue to trickle down to lesser known players. Neither of those outcomes is a bad thing for the sport.
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Less hard courts. More clay. More grass.

More brains used when it comes to scheduling and training.
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How about...

Players scheduling correctly and the WTA reducing the Minimum Divisor tournaments.

Let them eat cake.
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Nice commentary, Jem!

I agree with the notion, that much of injury problem among the players, is the result of poor scheduling decisions. The season isn't too long at all; there are plenty of opportunities over the course of the season, to take breaks here and there. I'm definitely against reducing the size of the main draws; I'd actually want a standard of 64 for the main draw for every tournament (minus the Grand Slams, YEC, and Super Tier Is); with NO byes for the seeds. If you're a top player, you shouldn't have it that easy. And this way, it would give many lesser players a chance to get in a tournament, and prove themselves. That, and there's plenty of wealth to spread around to the lesser players; who actually earn almost all their income from their tournament winnings, and not major endorsements (like to elite).

I also agree, that many players (especially the elite) overtrain WAY too much; and when you combine that with the style of play prevalent nowadays; the preponderance of hardcourts; and as mentioned, the advances in racquet technology; you have a perfect recipe for potential injury.

Players have to realize that they need to strike the right balance. They can't possibly expect the WTA to make that decision for them.

With regards to getting top players to play at Tier I (and key Tier II) tournaments; the WTA and tournament organizers need to make these tournaments so attractive (prestige, prize money, ranking points, exposure, etc...), that the players would have to be INSANE to not attend; or withdraw from. Maybe then, the WTA wouldn't need to FORCE the players to play these tournaments.
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Less hard courts. More clay. More grass.

More brains used when it comes to scheduling and training.
I completely agree

More grass!! So no player needs to play just right after FO to prepare for Wimbledon

Wimbledon should be scheduled later

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You cant do that
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byes give the top players an unfair advantage. And dividing up the circuits geographically is basically already a reality, i fail to see what more could really be done in that respect.

Jenny i know that you are a Democrat and you believe regulation is needed to solve all problems. But i think we need to trust the market in this case.

Women's (and men's) tennis has a basic economic issue - a labor shortage, as we say in Econ 101. The WTA and ATP have more tournaments than their marquee players can support. It's an over-supply of sponsor dollars, which is a problem that any business should love to have. Either the market will correct the situation by cutting back the number of tournaments, or the over-supply of money will continue to trickle down to lesser known players. Neither of those outcomes is a bad thing for the sport.
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SEriously, the only reason I want the schedule to be changed is that I hate seeing top players injured. That's it. It's not polical. I hate politics!

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I think there are other ways to shorten it. How about....

-having no tournaments the week after a Grand Slam
-have seperate US, European and Asian circuits, outside of 4 Slams, 5 men/women's Masters series events, DC/FC and the YEC. Less overseas travel could help a LOT.
-reduce the match load per week. All one week tournies (ATP, WTA) would have draws of 28 players. First round byes for top players is a GOOD idea
-get rid of best of 5 set matches for men for the first 4 rounds of Slams and for the finals of any one week tournies.

Any other ideas?

Cut out all Clay Tournaments
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Cut out all Clay Tournaments
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Cut out the surface which is KINDEST to the body? You're out of your mind.
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Well said Jem, I also think fittness plays a part in it as well.. Serena is hardly the fittest player on the tour at the moment.. I keep asking myself why don't the men get as injured as the woman when they play just as much or even more tournaments and their matches last longer than the leading ladies... I hardly think 18 - 20 tournaments is that hard when they already get two months off between Nov/Dec..

Shortening the schedule is no answer as you know full well that during the off season many of the leading players play exhibitions for big money !!
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