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The "New Generation" has been a big bust in 2005

No members of the new generation have had the expected breakout year in '05. All the current top players save Sharapova are tour veterans and they aren't really feeling a lot of pressure right now from the newcomers. The Top 20 is loaded with old-timers.

The biggest bust has been Sprem, who is on her way to dropping off the tour. Not too far behind her is Golovin, who after a promising '04, has bombed spectacularly this year, losing first round at all three grand slams. Vaidisova has had a couple of decent results but nothing (yet) to write home about. Outside of her RG quarterfinal, Karatantcheva has been a non-factor. Ivanovic has been the most impressive but still hasn't stamped her authority on any of the big tournaments. And for Sharapova (not really a member of the up-and-coming club as she is already an established player), even though she's had a good year overall, ZERO grand slam finals is a definite disappointment.
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Vaidisova is back on hardcourts, and already has a win over a top 15 player today. She should make the QF here at least.

And Chakvetadze is part of the new group and she has been having an excellent summer.

Karatantcheva is still a little young and immature. I think we can start expecting bigger things from her around this time next year.
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Vaidisova is back on hardcourts, and already has a win over a top 15 player today. She should make the QF here at least.

And Chakvetadze is part of the new group and she has been having an excellent summer.

Karatantcheva is still a little young and immature. I think we can start expecting bigger things from her around this time next year.

Vaidisova and Karantcheva are the youngest, so it may be early to expect too much from them.
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It's a weird year in many ways due to outside factors but I believe it will clear out soon by year's end and then we'll see pretenders from contenders. Some of these players will soon disappear if they don't get a coach and change something. I watched Sprem vs Golovin and it was terrible. I don't see how they were labeled as potential. Sprem has absolutelly no tennis fundamentals and Golovin is just sluggish and distracted and on her way as next Dokic/Kournikova/
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It's a weird year in many ways due to outside factors but I believe it will clear out soon by year's end and then we'll see pretenders from contenders. Some of these players will soon disappear if they don't get a coach and change something. I watched Sprem vs Golovin and it was terrible. Sprem has absolutelly no tennis fundamentals and Golovin is just sluggish and distracted and on her way as next Dokic/Kournikova/

yeah talk about a lucky draw for those two to play each other - one of them guaranteed to get a win...

the way things are looking now, Davenport could stay #1 for another five or six years.
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The girls under 18 are not allowed to play a full schedule and technically they are still junior age so I think they do very well to be in the top 50 of the womens game. I think players they are competing with outside the top ten are much stronger than when Monica, Jennifer and Hingis were the teen stars.

The thing I don't like about the younger players is many of them have lots of power to their game but no accuracy whatsoever.
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The girls under 18 are not allowed to play a full schedule and technically they are still junior age so I think they do very well to be in the top 50 of the womens game. I think players they are competing with outside the top ten are much stronger than when Monica, Jennifer and Hingis were the teen stars.

The under-18 rule is absolute garbage. At minimum it needs to be scaled back to under-17. It's hurting the tour by protecting the dinosaurs from competition.
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Some of these younsters were overhyped in the first place. I watched Golovin play live last year when the hype was building up and I just scratched my head. What she is doing is hitting the ball hard from baseline and nothing else. If you think of veterans like Schnyder or Dechy, although they are not top of the cream they have variety in their game and that contributes to their longevity. The youngsters don't know how to deal with situations and use different strategy with different opponents so they just hit the ball hard. Eighty percent of them will drop off like Karolina Sprem.
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The young-ons are still developing their game and the old guard are still pretty much somewhere near their peak (when their not injured that is). Not every teenager can do a Sharapova. I think 2005 will turn out tobe more of a consolodation year for the next generation. 2006 will sort out the weak from the chaff, the ones with the most potential will prospure and the others quietly fade into the challenger tour circuit.
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No members of the new generation have had the expected breakout year in '05. All the current top players save Sharapova are tour veterans and they aren't really feeling a lot of pressure right now from the newcomers. The Top 20 is loaded with old-timers.

The biggest bust has been Sprem, who is on her way to dropping off the tour. Not too far behind her is Golovin, who after a promising '04, has bombed spectacularly this year, losing first round at all three grand slams. Vaidisova has had a couple of decent results but nothing (yet) to write home about. Outside of her RG quarterfinal, Karatantcheva has been a non-factor. Ivanovic has been the most impressive but still hasn't stamped her authority on any of the big tournaments. And for Sharapova (not really a member of the up-and-coming club as she is already an established player), even though she's had a good year overall, ZERO grand slam finals is a definite disappointment.
As you can see from the responses, your idea of 'break out' differs with that of fans of the 'New Generation'.

"Break out' is something like winning a loaded Tier II or better, while knocking off a couple top ten players, including one of the tour 'elite'. And since Sharapova and Kuznetsova both did that in 2004, it probably isn't an unreasonable standard. But there's a lot of year left.

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Sorry but Golovin didn't lose 1r at all the Slams this year. In Australia she was injured and lost 2r, RG she held her seed and made it to the 3r ( i believe she wasn't 100% ready physically either) and lost I believe 1r at Wimbledon where she had her ankle problems. If Golovin was such a "bust" she would be ranked around 50, but she's still inside the top 25. Also this year the Belgians came back from injury, Pierce was getting back to her old form as well as Schnyder so it made life more difficult for the "new generation" to do much.

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"Break out' is something like winning a loaded Tier II or better, while knocking off a couple top ten players, including one of the tour 'elite'. And since Sharapova and Kuznetsova both did that in 2004, it probably isn't an unreasonable standard. But there's a lot of year left.

my idea of break out is either what you posted, or (even better) reaching a Slam semifinal. Karatantcheva screwed up bigtime losing to Likhovtseva after beating VW in Paris. Insofar as all of the young "stars" mentioned were already being hyped LAST year, the fact that none of them has "broken out" yet is somewhat disappointing. But youre right, the year is not over.
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my idea of break out is either what you posted, or (even better) reaching a Slam semifinal.
I hope none of them "breaks out" in a Lucic/Dokic/Stevenson kind of way.
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I hope none of them "breaks out" in a Lucic/Dokic/Stevenson kind of way.
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