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Venus 2005 vs the elite (sort of)

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AUSTRALIAN OPEN.. R16 MOLIK*....... L 7-5 7-6
ANTWERP.......... QTR CLIJSTERS.... W 6-2 6-3
ANTWERP.......... FNL MAURESMO..... L 4-6 7-5 6-4
MIAMI............ QTR WILLIAMS, S.. W 6-1 7-6
MIAMI............ SMI SHARAPOVA.... L 6-4 6-3
AMELIA ISLAND.... QTR DAVENPORT.... L 1-6 6-3 6-4

WIMBLEDON........ QTR PIERCE**..... W 6-0 7-6
WIMBLEDON........ SMI SHARAPOVA.... W 7-6 6-1
WIMBLEDON........ FNL DAVENPORT.... W 4-6 7-6 9-7
STANFORD......... FML CLIJSTERS.... L 7-5 6-2

*Molik isn't an elite player, but I hated to leave out a slam result.
** Can't truly call Pierce an elite player either, though she HAS had a VERY good year.
Nothing's locked in stone, but things are trending in the right direction. Especially if Clijsters is in the other half of the US Open draw.

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Pierce is not an elite player.
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If Venus being the 'player' against the elite then who is Venus?
I think if you don't have a dictionary, then use a common sense.
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people people pplease don't be soooooo difficult all the time!!!!!
Volcana, thanx for posting these results, of course Venus fans know them and they're very happy to see the positive evolution.
I agree you include Pierce, she is definetly an elite player this year. and that match against Pierce was one Venus' very best in the last 2 years. she showed everyone what she's (still) capable of and it gave her te belief to go and win a GS. Important match, imho.

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The loss to Clijsters still puzzle me. I don't know how she could've lost that after her Wimbledon win. She really needs to rest and make sure she's ready for the Open. Because if she is, it's her slam to lose.

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[font=Courier New][color=magenta]Nothing's locked in stone, but things are trending in the right direction. Especially if Clijsters is in the other half of the US Open draw.
I was impressed by the way she beat Clijsters in Antwerp. Clijsters didn't stand a chance against her.

I was surprised by her loss against Mauresmo.
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The loss to Clijsters still puzzle me. I don't know how she could've lost that after her Wimbledon win. She really needs to rest and make sure she's ready for the Open. Because if she is, it's her slam to lose.
Im not surprised at all that she lost to Kim. Think about it.

2 major weeks in London
No rest, tons of promotion for the reality show
Federation Cup
WTT
Stanford

that's 5-6 weeks of hardcore tennis. She was over played, over travelled. You cant play Kim on one leg and expect to win. She's too consistent and gets too many balls back.

I'm not too worried about Venus. She raised her game at Wimbledon, and if she's 100% healthy, I'd put her as the favorite for the US Open.
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You include the win over Pierce but not the win over Myskina?

Pierce is not an elite player. She hasn't beaten anyone in the top 10 this year yet, apart from a tanking Davenport at RG.
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You include the win over Pierce but not the win over Myskina?

Pierce is not an elite player. She hasn't beaten anyone in the top 10 this year yet, apart from a tanking Davenport at RG.
but what has Myskina done against the top 10 this year
Don't you think Pierce's year/level is at least as good as Myskina's.
But ok, victory against Myskina should be included. V had a good week in antwerp

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Venus has had a below average year yet again, if you exclude her Wimbledon win. But that's a huge result in itself. It wasn't like everyone fell apart and she picked up the pieces. She went out there and beat up on all the players. That match against Maria gives me goosebumps, even now. The first set was just I have never seen a better display of tennis from Venus.

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but what has Myskina done against the top 10 this year
Don't you think Pierce's year/level is at least as good as Myskina's.
But ok, victory against Myskina should be included. V had a good week in antwerp
Well yes, Nastya's been shit this year, but unlike Pierce she's beaten top ten players and been ranked in the top 10 herself. Elite players in slumps are still elite players.
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Pierce IS a Elite player, or how do you call someone that's won 2 GS in her career and at the age of 30 plays in a grand-slam final ...
Most of the current players would love having a career like Pierce's.
And concerning Myskina, she also is a Elite player, when her game is on, she knocks the hell out of everyone.
Venus will loose early in the 4th or quarters of the US Open, you'll see ...
perhaps to mary

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The loss to Clijsters still puzzle me. I don't know how she could've lost that after her Wimbledon win. She really needs to rest and make sure she's ready for the Open. Because if she is, it's her slam to lose.
she was fatigued, and im guessing that has caused her body to contract the flu.

Even though she didnt play any tournaments during the weeks from Wimbledon to Stanford, she was on different planes everyday, doing os much media coverage, shows, ads, etc etc etc!
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Pierce IS a Elite player, or how do you call someone that's won 2 GS in her career and at the age of 30 plays in a grand-slam final ...
Most of the current players would love having a career like Pierce's.
And concerning Myskina, she also is a Elite player, when her game is on, she knocks the hell out of everyone.
Venus will loose early in the 4th or quarters of the US Open, you'll see ...
perhaps to mary
It will be better if you write german to convey what you mean by Venus
going out in the 4th of quarters of the USopen.
In term of elite player on wta tour, no one will suggest Pierce over Venus.
Venus is and will remain an elite player until she retires.
If Venus is well Peirce doesn't stand a chance against her on all surfaces.
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Things have been trending for Venus
since the Australian Open as I have
said time and time again.

Really since the exhibitions in
Hong Kong.

I noticed 1st and foremost, her 2nd serve
improvement from just spinning everything
in to the forehand.

The dramatic raise in her level in just a
few short weeks from the Australia to Antwerp.

And despite some of the losses to top players
she was becoming more and more competitive.

Even in Paris where she struggled, you saw
the big improvement in the forehand.

Her form began really gelling in Antwerp and
all she was missing was the mental belief
against the Top players and being able to
back up beating one with another.

That all came together for her at Wimbledon
where I just knew that it would.

If Venus can maintain her health and focus
(blessing in diguise that she's getting this rest)
she has an amazing shot of repeating her follow-up
to Wimbledon in winning the US Open as she did in
00' & 01'.
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