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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 18th, 2001, 10:16 PM Thread Starter
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Let me start by saying that I love Venus and Serena. But it has become apparent in the past year that perhaps V & S's ultimate goal is not to become number 1 & 2 in the world, but just to play a few tourneys, post some good results (o.k. great) and continue to play part time. The fact is they make more money each year from product endorsements than through prize money. But of course the two go hand and hand, i.e. you don't get endorsements by being ranked #75 in the world, but by being at or near the top. What has got me wondering is why in the past year has Venus not just gone for it and gotten to #1. Before the French Open, I think she was within 700 points of Hingis and the number #1 and just let the opportunity roll right by her. Now, this fall the same thing, she had a great summer defending 4 of her 5 titles from last year and is still ranked #4 in the world.

Is it me or does anyone else out there believe that being number 1 & 2 in the world mean very little to V & S. I think Venus knows that if she gets to #1 then the pressure is on to stay #1, which means playing in more that 13 or 14 tourneys in a year, but perhaps playing tennis full time, like the other players in the top ten. Look at Serena she played in 9 tourneys half as many as most players in the top 100 and is still in the top 10 and can beat anyone on tour.

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Well, as far as I know last year Venus would have loved very much to become #1, and I mean, who doesnt want to become #1? You wouldnt? I dont think so. If she would have wanted it so much she would have gotten it, that is true. But she wants it very much, I am sure of that.
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I know they want it.. In fact it is obvious to me that they are focused more than ever.

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I think they want it!

And I think they are the best players in WTA. Serena is a Top Ten player with just 9 tournaments and Venus just played 13 and she is the player who leads Money prizes.

I think they will get it next year, for sure.

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post #5 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 19th, 2001, 08:41 AM
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I expect that Venus will get it within the next 8 months or so before Wimbledon.

Serena can get up there if she plays more which remains to be seen.

Regardless, i dont think we've seen the last all-Williams final at a slam, rankings be damned.
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post #6 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 19th, 2001, 09:55 AM
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Of course they don't want it, they'd have done it by now if they cared. What I don't understand is why Venus fans get so het up about the rankings. Slams are what really matters, and Venus has two of them this year. I'm sure that's how she looks at it.

If I were Venus, I wouldn't give a damn about the rankings either.
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Unless someone here knows them personally I don't know that any one of us can speak with any certainty as to what they want. I have some doubts however as to whether Venus can get it. I'm not sure that her wrists and knees can hold up to having to play 17 tournies each year. She suffers a whole lot from just playing 10 tournies. Her wrists are always taped, and by the 6th tourny of the year, her knees frequently were too. Her style of tennis is extremely hard on the body and she seems to have a muscled but delicate system. I'm not sure that her body can hold up to the battering required to win 17 tournies. Venus is the perfect example of how the best player will not necessarily ever be the top-ranked.

As for Serena, I can't see her being #1 in 2002 either bec she seems to avoid traveling. And she won't be able to play 17 tournies without getting on a plane!

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post #8 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 19th, 2001, 12:30 PM
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I am sure that Venus wants it she has said so. I completely supported Venus's decision not to come to Europe. Venus is probably better known and more recgnisable than either Capriati and Jenniffer and she seems to generate a lot of attention to herself and to the tournament whenever she plays. If I was Venus I too would have felt very vulnerable and would have chosen to sit at home and say too bad - there will be another chance.

Secondly, I think that both girls put more value to leading a balanced life than to being #1. Venus believes that she is the best player out there. Does Capriati or did Hingis(recently). She also likes to pay ample attention to her spritual and creative side of her not to mention her family. In time she will get it. She is well within striking distance.

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post #9 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 19th, 2001, 01:54 PM
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What player on the tour doesn't want to be #1?

I've come to realize that it doesn't matter if Venus becomes #1 in the rankings or not. She will certainly be remembered in years to come because she's such a great player. She's done so much for tennis, along with her baby sis'. Years from now, when people think about tennis, they'll think about the Williams Sisters and their great contributions to the sport. If they never become #1,#2, or whatever, people will know in their hearts that they should have. Venus is clearly the best out there right now, and Serena is not too far behind.

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post #10 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 20th, 2001, 10:59 AM
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They're capable but it would such be a disappointment if they never will.

There were great players who have not reached the top ranking and Venus doesn't deserve to be in this category IMO.

Getting the top ranking is EASIER SAID THAN DONE.

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I think they don't want it badly. Even I am not a fans, I am feeling a bit disappointed coz with their ability, they could do it, they really should play more. Also I am bad, I don't want Jennifer to stay on top too long <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">.

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In response to what someone wrote earlier, you don't have to know Venus and Serena personally to know that they don't care about the rankings and being Number 1 and 2. Another PERFECT example is Venus pulling out of Linz (with final points to defend). I just don't find it credible anymore any excuse that comes from V & S lips when it comes to pulling out of tournaments. And I say this being one of the biggest, if not the biggest Williams Sisters fans. It will be interesting to see what excuse both V & S will use to pull out of the year end championship. I think Venus will stick with her current "excuse" of having "irritated" her left wrist (yea, right, by giving the bird to the WTA tour) and I think Serena will have an 'injury" by this Thursday and will also pull out. I think part of the "Master Plan" is to drive up demand for the Sisters by having them play a limited-fixed schedule, in an attempt to drive up their "promotional fee" for attending events. Any thoughts?

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I find it hard to believe that someone calling themselves "one of the biggest, if not the biggest fan of the Williams sisters" could proceed to call them liars, fakers, and having a "Master Plan" to promote themselves by driving up demand for their appearance. How can a Venus and Serena "fan" think these two women are that devious. Venus and Serena would do well to lose "fans" like this.

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post #14 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 22nd, 2001, 05:25 PM Thread Starter
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Dear Deira,

GET OVER YOURSELF. I am a fan and just because I question or criticize some of the things they do and say doesn't make me any less of a fan. While I don't consider myself a BLIND WORSHIPPER like yourself, I do love the Sisters. All I'm saying is that the way the WTA tour is set up, it forces players, including the Sisters, to sometimes be creative when they don't feel like playing in tournaments. Can you, as such a BLIND FOLLOWER of the Sisters list ALL of the tournaments that they have pulled out of this year alone? List them. I dare you. As a Venus and Serena fan, it's very disappointing and frustrating following their schedules because I get so let down when they pull out of tournaments. I LOVE watching them play. That's all I'm saying, it was you who called them liars.

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No supremeross, I will not get over myself 'cause I love me some me <IMG SRC="smilies/hearts.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/hearts.gif" border="0"> But as to the matter at hand, you didn't question or criticize Venus and Serena for what they do. You used conjecture as to what you think they might be doing. Specifically, you implied that their injuries are nothing but lies and camouflage, and that their real plan is to manipulate the WTA tour by limiting their play in order to "drive up their promotional fee". With fans like you Venus and Serena don't need the haters
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