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Is Rena a great?

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7 majors, no.1...but NO Olympics gold medal in singles. Can she be considered a great?
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She's up there but she still has a way to go to be in the same category as players like Steffi Graf(acheivements anyway), etc. But she definitely has the talent to be up there...
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Nope, the greatest player of all time never won Olympic Gold Singles
[Calimero377]Graf did win the Gold Medal in Singles in 1988 as part of her "Golden" Grand Slam which no other female singles players has done EVER!!

Superdumbo. [/Calimero377}
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shes got great ass & tits so....
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[Calimero377]Graf did win the Gold Medal in Singles in 1988 as part of her "Golden" Grand Slam which no other female singles players has done EVER!!

Superdumbo. [/Calimero377}
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the "Superdumbo".

Apparently, she isn't the greatest of all time from
where Hautbois is sitting!


Serena's definitely on the road to great!

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Its too bad that in sports so much emphasis is put on stats. Of course the amount of majors/titles is the most important in the end but if you see Serena playing at her best, you wouldn't even have to check the stats that quality and talent wise, she IS a great.
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Discussion for today....

7 majors, no.1...but NO Olympics gold medal in singles. Can she be considered a great?
Well, her career accomplishments, taken as a whole, are among the ten best in the Open era (restricting this to women).

All-time? I'd say she's riiiight on the egde of making it in accomplishments again, but it's iffy. The top seven are easy.

Nav, Court, Graf, Wills Moody, Evert, King, Lenglen.

Mboyle has point out that Maureen Connolly is a clear #8. In retrospect, I agree. Winning the Grand SLam is pretty huge.

But then you have five four players tightly packed for the other three two spots

Bueno, S Williams, Seles and Goolagong.

Different eras, different opponents, and note that I'm specifically measuring accomplishments, not a subjective obscurity like 'greatness'.

Some things we have to throw out as not measurable across eras. No 'weeks-at-#1', no Olympics, no Fed Cup. Even total titles isn't really fair. Connolly and Bueno has fewer opportunities to play. It really comes down to GS titles, when you're measuring across eras.

I have no real trouble giving spots #8 and #9 and #10 to Goolagong and Bueno. Aside form having the most beautiful games I've seen in my lifetime, they both had significant doubles accomplishments.

When leaves Serena, and two players with two more GS singles titles than her.

I'm giving it to Connolly for having won the Grand Slam.


That leaves Monica Seles AND Serena Williams out of my all-time top ten, but they are both active players, they have it on their own rackets to fix that.

..............----------------GS-------------
..............singles..doubles...mixed..total
Bueno............07......11.......00.....18..
Goolagong........07......06.......01.....14..
S Williams.......07......04.......02.....13..
Seles............09......00.......00.....09..


Again, this is a list of career accomplishments, relative to opportunity. I'm not saying Maria Bueno was 'greater' then Monica Seles. I'm saying her overall career accomplihments were greater, given what her opportunites were.

We have more than enough 'greatness' threads.


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Nope, the greatest player of all time never won Olympic Gold Singles

Twisting the facts again!

Graf won Olympic gold in 88.
FACT!

Completing the "Golden Grand Slam" by this.



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[Calimero377]Graf did win the Gold Medal in Singles in 1988 as part of her "Golden" Grand Slam which no other female singles players has done EVER!!

Superdumbo. [/Calimero377}

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She's right up there. She had the toughest competition to complete her grand slam aside from Navratilova.

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I think you may be
the "Superdumbo".

Apparently, she isn't the greatest of all time from
where Hautbois is sitting!


Serena's definitely on the road to great!

7 Slam Titles
6 Slam Doubles Titles
2 Slam Mixed Doubles Titles
Doubles Olympic Champion
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1 of 9 women all-time to own all 4 majors in career.
1 of 5 women all-time to have held all 4 majors at one time.

^^That has to count for something as well.

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I believe when all is said and done Serena will be considered a great because if you look at he accomplishments she did them all playing very few tournements per year.
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She's right up there. She had the toughest competition to complete her grand slam aside from Navratilova.

No, I think Jordan, Turnbull, Jaeger and Shriver were tougher than anyone of 02/03's players ....

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