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Hingis of AO 2002 played best tennis of her career

There is alot of silly debate going here that Hingis was past her prime, not PEAK, injured, etc. her last couple years on tour. Hingis fans usually use this as an excuse to explain Hingis' losses and her reason of leaving the game.

If they truly believe this, or anyone else for that matter, they clearly have not seen the 2002 Austrailian Open. Hingis played the best tennis of her career at this tourney or close to it. Her anticipation was immaculate, she moved well, returned well, and hell, even SERVED well. She dropped just 13 games in her first 5 matches!

In the semis she faced a resurgent Monica Seles and the stats for Hingis were 32 winners, 5 ACES, 12 UE's. These are incredible stats. Hingis rarely hit more than 25 winners in a match and she sure as HELL didn't hit aces. Hingis also ONLy hit 12 UE's. Hingis never hit that many UE's but this number is astonishing considering that Hingis never had this low number (no top player BTW) in a TOUGH 3 set win...

She continued this form against "comeback" capriati and played impeccably against Capriati to race off to a 6-4, 4-0 lead before she let the heat catch up to her.

So, i think MOST would agree w/ me that this "nonsense" of Hingis never being the same again after certain matches would disregard this if they watch the 2002 OZ Open, or even the 2001 OZ Open (even though she ATTACKED much more and was BETTER in the 2002 OZ.)
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that match against seles was so good. She play amazing in the second set, she outplayed seles with amazing shots. iwas sure she won the finals. the temperature was very hot 46 degres i think. Finally caprati won. Plus she had 4 match point
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caprati save match point with winner on the line 8 )
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Capriati saved the match points with amazing gutsy play , but Hingis at that tournament was amazing,ppl r saying her forehand is so weak etc but look at that match she was attacking with it down the line and coming into the net after. Remember She also beat Kim in the Adidas international semis(who then went on to beat Serena that year for first time. Miss you Martina!

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There is alot of silly debate going here that Hingis was past her prime, not PEAK, injured, etc. her last couple years on tour. Hingis fans usually use this as an excuse to explain Hingis' losses and her reason of leaving the game.
As a participant in the 'silly debate', I'm a bit stunned at myself for forgetting about Martina level of play in the tournament. Thanks for the reminder. That final was when I really found myself actually liking Hingis. And why I have so little respect for the attitude that she retired because she didn't want to face other players, rather than because of injury.

The girl played her body into the ground in that final. I know what it's like to compete in hundred degree heat when everything cramps up and your body is consuming it's own muscles for fuel. To imply cowardice in anybody who could play through that is a reflection on the accuser, not Hingis.

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hingid and capriati its not the same body. Plus you weight is high less chance you have to have cramps
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Hingis always played phenomenal tennis in Australia, and 02 was no better or worse than her previous five Australian seasons.
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And to base Hingis' level of play primarily on a match against Monica Seles is rather pointless, because except for a few losses which were the product of exceptionally poor play, Hingis owned Monica from every aspect of the court.
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yes, Hingis was still playing extremely well even up to her "retirement". I've always said that and always will. BUT....I think Hingis was playing better tennis in 1997 and 1998 when she played fearless, aggressive tennis. In those years, she had no hesitation to approach the net, even at unopportune times. In the year preceding her leaving, she only went to the net when she had basically already hit a winner. She played with fear. And her mental and physical lapses became expected.
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And to base Hingis' level of play primarily on a match against Monica Seles is rather pointless, because except for a few losses which were the product of exceptionally poor play, Hingis owned Monica from every aspect of the court.
Justine Henin-Hardenne owns Venus Williams 'except for a few losses which were the product of exceptionally poor play'. Be serious.

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yes, Hingis was still playing extremely well even up to her "retirement". I've always said that and always will. BUT....I think Hingis was playing better tennis in 1997 and 1998 when she played fearless, aggressive tennis. In those years, she had no hesitation to approach the net, even at unopportune times. In the year preceding her leaving, she only went to the net when she had basically already hit a winner. She played with fear. And her mental and physical lapses became expected.
If you believe this you didn't watch Hingis in 2002 OZ or 2001 OZ for that matter
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2000 .................... 1999 .................... 1998..................... 1997.....................
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Putting aside 2002 and 2001, here Hingis' wins from 1997 to 2000. 1997 is obviously a dream year, but in 2000, HIngis win five Tier I's and the Season Ending Championships. There's no massive fall-off in results there.

Hingis' problem is that she didn't get BETTER, not that she got worse.

In a lot of ways, she had the same problems as Venus. Venus was a better player in 2002 than 2001. But her sister was MORE better.

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yeah i was at that match. simply amazing quality of shots rally after rally. seriously seles was playing so well in that match and had the better of most games but hingis just kept finding ways to win points when she was out of them. she was also so much aggressive than normal as well and she needed to be because monica was clobbering any ball even centimetres short of perfect length.

i've always maintain that Seles would have won that final easily because even though she was less fit than Hingis she didn't have any head issues and she had the ability to finish points and i doubt she would have let Capriati back in.

Also remember though that Hingis time out from around RG to late in the US hardcourt season and when she came back her form was about 30 percent below where it was then - i think she lost to Dokic, a lesser ranked Myskina, Seles routinely, and easily to Dementieva. She could have given it a better go perhaps but i always believed those matches showed there was something wrong with her physically at least at that time.
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As a participant in the 'silly debate', I'm a bit stunned at myself for forgetting about Martina level of play in the tournament. Thanks for the reminder. That final was when I really found myself actually liking Hingis. And why I have so little respect for the attitude that she retired because she didn't want to face other players, rather than because of injury.

The girl played her body into the ground in that final. I know what it's like to compete in hundred degree heat when everything cramps us and your body is consuming it's own muscles for fuel. To imply cowardice in anybody who could play through that is a reflection on the accuser, not Hingis.
That was about the most beautiful post I have ever read on this board (happy tears )...

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Yeah, Martina put her entire future on the line in that match against Capriati, I think...Oh I remember Pam saying, "and look, all of the reporters are turning their cameras towards Hingis now.She hasn't won a slam in three years. The joy on her face is going to be priceless..." And then, Martina hit a forehand long, and Capriati never looked back (that was in the breaker.)

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