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Top Ten Players from Margaret Court Smith to the present

Turns out to be a pretty interesting exercise. As well as hopelessly subjective. I was really interested in 'Overall' and 'Singles Only'.

Overall is especially tough, since things like doubles, Fed Cup, the US Open and OZ going to hardcourts and Rebound Ace respectively come into play. Also the quality of the opposition.

Nav got the overall #1 spot over court ultimately for sheer longevity. Still winning GS titles in your late forties is without comparable measure.

Court over Graf for singles #1 was simply recognizing the most dominant player of all time.

However, I am well aware that just about everyone has their own opinion of how those three should be ordered. You're welcome to it.
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xx overall.......singles
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01 Nav...........Court......
02 Court.........Graf.......
03 Graf..........Nav........
04 King..........Evert......
05 Evert.........King.......

06 Serena........Monica.....
07 Bueno.........Serena.....
08 Goolagong.....Goolagong..
09 Monica........Bueno......

10 Hingis........Venus......
xx Venus.........Hingis.....


King over Evert for overall #4? She's third on the alltime list for GS titles with 39. Throw in Battle of the Sexes II.

Serena Williams, Evonne Goolagong, Maria Bueno and Monica Seles

Well, Monica for singles, easily.
Overall? Tougher, but I gave to to Serena, basically because she won GS titles on four different surfaces in singles and doubles. Maria Beuno won 7 GS singles titles, and 10 GS doubles titles, but they were all on grass. Still ten is ten, which is why I put her ahead of Goolagong

And of course number ten.

Overall, gotta give it to Hingis, much as I love Vee. But it singles, these players were peers, and Venus superior even before injuries laid low Hingis.

Well, that was fun. Don't expect me to get too worked up defending it though. Life's too short.

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Now do overall Singles/Doubles TITLES
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Now do overall Singles/Doubles TITLES


"Doubles"?
Is that this funny competition where Liezel Huber is a Wimbledon champ?
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Yea, the same event where Steffi had a 173-72 record and Martina N had a 667-102 record...

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"Doubles"?
Is that this funny competition where Liezel Huber is a Wimbledon champ?
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tennis is such a weird sport because you can't really know who the best is. I wouldn't consider MSC as the best considering she won i belive over half of her 11 aussie opens against people who were not top talent such as BJK and such. Grandslams don't tell you who is the best becasue people like court or graf "got lucky" and had weaker competition then say someone like serena did.




















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"Doubles"?
Is that this funny competition where Liezel Huber is a Wimbledon champ?
Yep, and the competition where Graf is a lame nobody
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Yep, and the competition where Graf is a lame nobody
oh wait.. is that the competition where Martina has like 39 grandslams and butterface graf has like umm 1?




















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Yep, and the competition where Graf is a lame nobody

But Graf is better in table tennis.

So - what's your point?
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Martina lasted longer than Court, but then, Court gave birth to and raised three children. Martina^s whole life IS tennis.
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oh wait.. is that the competition where Martina has like 39 grandslams and butterface graf has like umm 1?

Not everybody can be a beauty like Navi ....
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Not everybody can be a beauty like Navi ....
She was actuallly pretty fit in her day. Especially compared to 17 year old Graf *vomits*
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we are talking about tennis here and the last I checked both singles and doubles were part of tennis. Table tennis still hasn't been made part of tennis.

And any stats to prove that Graf is better in TT?

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tennis is such a weird sport because you can't really know who the best is. I wouldn't consider MSC as the best considering she won i belive over half of her 11 aussie opens against people who were not top talent such as BJK and such. Grandslams don't tell you who is the best becasue people like court or graf "got lucky" and had weaker competition then say someone like serena did.

You CAN know it.

Just check who beat the old greats at the beginning of her career and the newer "greats" at the end of her career. Graf ended Evertilova's reign but prevailed against Hingis/Venus at slams in her last weeks on the tour.

And of course you can consider who wins almost all greatest-ever polls (even in the U.S.!).

Actually it is very easy ...

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Grandslams don't tell you who is the best becasue people like court or graf "got lucky" and had weaker competition then say someone like serena did.
:retard: Serena has faced three people in her grand slam finals. Three. She has never faced anyone who has won more than 5 grand slam titles. Steffi Graf beat an 18 time grand slam titlist 5-7; 6-2; 6-1, winning 24 of the last 25 games. To say that Serena had harder competition is just absurd in every single way. I would argue that she had some of the easiest competition. Navratilova won 18 grand slam titles during the same period Chris Evert won 18 grand slam titles. Graf won grand slams over Navratilova and Seles. King and Court had to fight each other for slams.

As for the Court vs. Graf argument, Margaret had easier competition, but she also did not play nearly as much. Anyone who wins half of the grand slams entered has to be at least co. no 1 for singles best ever.

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