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post #1 of 54 (permalink) Old Jul 8th, 2005, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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So what happened to the vaunted Russian 'domination'?

To some, the 'Russian Domination on the tour was a one hit wonder that was an effect of the truly great players on the tour being injured. SO I decided to do a quickie analysis. I looked at where the Russians were in the top hundred or the Porsche race, and where they finished last year. Hardly a perfect analytical tool, but not wretched either.

What I found, in a nutshell, was this. The Russians are doing BETTER than last year. There are 14 Russians in the top hundred of the Porsche standings. Eight of them are higher in the Porsche standings than they ended last year, Five are lower, and one esentially unchanged.

Of the five who are lower, one of them is Kuznetsova, who won the US Open last year. Since that tournament hasn't been played yet, it's to be expected that she'd be ranked lower than the end of last year. Another is Elena Bovina, who's only played eight tournaments this year because of injury. Take away those two, and it's eight Russians playing better, and only three playing worse. Of course, those three are Myskina, Dementieva and Zvonareva. So the five Russians playing below last year's pace were five of the six highest ranked Russians.

But as a group, they're still doing well, with eight players in the top 40 of this year's race. Notice that Douchevina and Linetskaya are really moving.
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05 (04) name
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02 (04) SHARAPOVA.... 2877.00 10
07 (12) PETROVA...... 1695.00 14
11 (05) KUZNETSOVA*.. 1271.00 11
13 (06) DEMENTIEVA... 1216.00 10
15 (24) LIKHOVTSEVA.. 1010.00 14
20 (44) SAFINA....... _773.00 13
21 (03) MYSKINA...... _771.00 12
27 (11) ZVONAREVA.... _629.00 13
29 (63) DOUCHEVINA... _623.00 13
30 (95) LINETSKAYA... _588.00 14
31 (107)KIRILENKO.... _571.00 15
32 (15) BOVINA**..... _558.00 08
40 (83) CHAKVETADZE.. _511.00 14
78 (77) PANOVA........ _230.00 13


* Kuzzy gained a lot of points for the US Open last year, so it's to be expected she'd be behind last years pace.

** Elena B has been injured most of the year, and simply hasn't played as many tournaments.


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post #2 of 54 (permalink) Old Jul 8th, 2005, 04:30 PM
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Some people do talk nonsense, what happened to the Russain domination?. How many Russains are in the top 40 again?.
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post #3 of 54 (permalink) Old Jul 8th, 2005, 04:31 PM
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Well three of the four majors have been played, and two of the three Russians did not defend their GS titles, and I just don't see Kuznetsova defending her US Open title either. Plus if the cut off date was today, which I know it isn't, then four of the five Russians who played at the YEC wouldn't be back, and losing a boat load of points in the process.
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post #4 of 54 (permalink) Old Jul 8th, 2005, 04:34 PM
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I dont think a russian will win a grand slam this year...if one does it will be Sharapova at the US...and I doubt she does that with Lindsay, Venus, Pierce, Serena, Clijsters, Henin, Capriati and other people there...those people are top hard court players...its going to make it even harder for the Russian to win the U.S. this time around. Last year they barely got past 2 shaky Americans (davenport and capriati), Venus out of form, Serena was cheated...this year its going to be more hunger for the title...and more players in top form...so I guess we will wait and see.

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It'd be interesting to see where the Russians were in July 04, rather than Dec '04, compared to July 05.

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My opinion on the Russians is that they will always be waiting in wings to cease any opportunity that come their way if the better players falter for any reason. The opportunity presented itself last year and they wisely made good use of it.

Their good position in the rankings is mostly due to their quantity of play rather than the quality. If you check their # of tournaments played you will notice that they play the most out of the top players.

The rankings seem to be slowly correcting it self as the year progress with the better players Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Justin, Maria and Moresmo at the top then the remainder of the Russians.

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Since February, the Russians have won 2 Tier III's. That's all.
So no domination at all.
But 12 in the top 35. So a lot of them are making a decent living.

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There was no domination to begin with, at least in comparison to Williams and Belgian dominations.
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There was no domination to begin with, at least in comparison to Williams and Belgian dominations.
Russians won 3 straight majors, and the YEC. Plus Fed Cup last year.
So that compares okay to Belgium.
Nowhere near the USA. But things might change in the next few years.

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Russians won 3 straight majors, and the YEC. Plus Fed Cup last year.
So that compares okay to Belgium.
But let's not forget that three different Russians won the majors, it wasn't the same pair (Kim/Justine, Venus/Serena) pairing off in consecutive slam finals. So their 'domination' was a bit watered down to begin with.
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They're doing well but I'm sure that Myskina and Sharapova that would've tarded a successful title defense over doing well. Never saw last year's results as domination. The trio of slam winners (and Demetieva) just played really well when it counted the most.
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13 players in the top 40 of the Porsche race is pretty dominant, on a tour that ranks 1200 players. Not what most people mean by 'domination', of course. But if your real interest is in how the players from that country are doing as a whole, you have to be pleased. The rest of the decade bodes well.

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1/2 of the quarterfinalists at Wimbledon were Russian, so they are still doing pretty well.

I think the difference is the Belgians are back and Venus is playing better, so no luck for the Russians.


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they benefit from the injuries from Clijsters, HeninHardenne, Davenport and the unmotivation from the Williams sisters

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They're not dominating the headlines which I suppose leads to the impression that they're not dominating the tour.

The truth is though that there always seems to be one or two Russians in the latter stages of big tournaments nowadays.

They're gradually putting more and more of themselves into contention.

It's not unreasonable that we'll see more results like last year - albeit probably not as dramatic.
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