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Venus played just about her best ever in this years final

The statistics from the final are surreal.
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Williams .... 49 winners 29 UEs 10 DFs
Davenport ... 30 winners 27 UEs _5 DFs

Williams .... 23 winners 21 UEs _1 DFs
Sharapova ... 13 winners 24 UEs _2 DFs

Williams .... 22 winners 14 UEs _1 DFs
Pierce ...... 23 winners 19 UEs _5 DFs

Plus TWENTY winners to UEs!?!? Venus won matches in 2000 with minus winner to UE ratios. The Sharapova match was the old Venus. The Pierce match was the old Venus having a particularly clean day. The Davenport match might be the cleanest tennis I've ever seen Venus play. Forget the actual numbers. I've got quite a few of Venus' matches on tape. And those were some LONG rallies without Venus making errors.

Perhaps the way to say it is, Venus was the most under control I've ever seen her play. That's what really stood out the last three matches. She remained under control. So trying to ace every serve. No going for every line. She played points looking for advantage, and taking what she got. She tried to build points, or rather build advantage during points, but not by taking big risks.

I think the ten double-faults were the result of not wanting Davenport to destroy her 2nd serve. She went for VERY deep 2nd serves quite a few times. She DF'd twice against Pierce, and once vs Sharapova.


One also has to say, in retrospect, that the last three matches were a GREAT draw for Venus. I know, it the Roland Garros finalist, the defending Wimbledon champ, and then world #1, but it's also three straight versions of the same player, each just slightly better than the last. A Schnyder or Mauresmo before Davenport might have meant a loss in the final. The match was that close.

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She hit alot of those winners in short spurts, but didn't sustain a high level all the way through the match.
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The stats lie. Frankly, neither girl played a good match untill the 3rd set, and it wasn't a classic in terms of quality even then. Venus had around 10 minutes of great play between 6-5 in the 2nd and somewhere along the beggining of the 3rd.

Venus was too passive and frightned for quite a while in the match, and for me, we've seen her playing WAY better then this. Same goes for Lindsay, but, well, that's obvious.

Cogito, ergo sum.
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Also most players' winner total gets exaggerated against Lindsay because she doesn't chase alot of balls.
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The stats lie. Frankly, neither girl played a good match untill the 3rd set, and it wasn't a classic in terms of quality even then.
Who to believe? The stats or your lyin' eyes?

My eyes saw it the way the stats did, and I'd seen it three times now. A truly enthalling match. Watch it with another fan, and two non-fans, and even the non-fans said they enjoyed every minute.
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Also most players' winner total gets exaggerated against Lindsay because she doesn't chase alot of balls.
Lindsay chased a LOT of balls on Saturday. She caught them too, for the most part. Also Kuznetsova only had 23 winners vs Davenport. Clijsters only had 21. Safina had 11.

Mauresmo, OTOH, had 42. I think this shows the winner total is function of how well the opponent plays, NOT that Lindsay 'doesn't chase alot of balls'.

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I use to consider the US Open '00 semi against Hingis as Venus'BEST performance of her career. Now I'm not too sure anymore. This Wimby final is right up there with that match of 5 years ago.

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... throw in these number from the Venus vs Mary Pierce match

Break point against : 0/0 = 0%
Net Approaches: 10 of 11 = 91 %
1 st Serve 53 of 63 = 84 %
Winning 1st Serve:42 of 53 = 79 %
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Who to believe? The stats or your lyin' eyes?

My eyes saw it the way the stats did, and I'd seen it three times now. A truly enthalling match. Watch it with another fan, and two non-fans, and even the non-fans said they enjoyed every minute.

If you had followed tennis for some years you would know that in Wimbledon the UEs always are way below the numbers at other tournaments. The British obviously are polite people and don't count everything as "unforced" as they would do in the U.S. or in Europe ...


BTW have you ever tried to have a winner/UEs count and compared that to a count by a friend of yours? You would be surprised about the difference most probably.
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I use to consider the US Open '00 semi against Hingis as Venus'BEST performance of her career. Now I'm not too sure anymore. This Wimby final is right up there with that match of 5 years ago.

BS.
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Can't believe I'm saying this but Cali's right!!
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Anyway you slice it, those were three fun matches for Venus fans. The Pierce and Sharapova matches both had tie-breakers, and the final was three hours of alternating marveling and holding your breathe.

The only really freaky thing was Sharapova only winning 39% of the points on her first serve during that 6-1 set. The set looked closer than that. But the stats look like a 6-1 set.

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from the quarters on, that's the high level venus won tons of matches at, yes. i think she played her best in the semis, and that really has little to do with overall winner/error ratios but more in her ability to control so many of the rallies and keep it clean and never give her opponent the ability to breathe.
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I agree stats lie, I'll take the Venus from the Sharapova match against anybody on any day...

...I'm happy about the result of the Davenport match, but I wouldn't put it first in the Venus Williams time capsule.
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best ever? maybe not.
i dont think she played that well consistently through the final. she had her little spurts like Knizzle said, but she was frustrating me like hell some of the time.
her first set against Pierce was great. couldnt believe what i was seeing she had like only 5 UFEs up until about 2-2 second set. and she was pretty darn good in the Sharapova match too
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