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View Poll Results: Why did Jen get bashed for not overturning a bad call, while Venus didn't?
Jen gets more bad calls in her favor than Venus does 2 2.60%
It only matters when Venus and Serena get bad calls 16 20.78%
Only players who have been arrested are expected to overturn linecalls 1 1.30%
Jen's call was worse than Venus's 9 11.69%
Jen knew the ball was good, but Venus didn't know her serve was out 20 25.97%
The people who bashed Jen never liked her to begin with 9 11.69%
Jen is more fun to make fun of 3 3.90%
Serena's ball was more in than Venus's ball was out! 3 3.90%
There is no good reason 10 12.99%
other 4 5.19%
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post #1 of 80 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 2005, 05:12 PM Thread Starter
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Why did Jen get so much more criticism than Venus for bad linecalls?

I don't think either player should have reversed the call, since it is not their job. However, I find it baffling how much of a deal was made when Jen got a bad call and Venus did. So why is it that the two players got treated differently for the same situation?

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Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.
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Because Venus is likeable?
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Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.
It wasn't even the call itself, her attitude was stank. That's what drew most of the criticism. The rest went to the person who deserved it, the ump.

Venus might as well get her mail forwarded to Serena's shadow. She's going to be there forever!
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I think Venus could have said something, as it was an awful call, but Serenas was worse. I mean, that was rediculous.
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Simple
The ball was not on Venus side of the court. In Capriati case, not only was the ball was at her nose, but she behaves like she knew that ball was in and yet refused to acknowledge it.

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I just added a poll to this topic.

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Jen was right in front of the ball and basically admitted after the match that she knew the ball was in and the call went against Serena then tried to justify it by saying she had calls go against her in the past and she deserved some calls to go for her now. Don't even try to act as if this is the same.
Exactly!

Not to mention that she was on the other end
of the court and chalk flew up so how is one
to assume she knew it was in or out?

If they are supposed to know,
then why do they have line's people?

Furthermore, The umpire was right
on top of the line.

This situation isn't the same though
some are trying to act as if it is.
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It's always funny how people always find a reason why Jen was more wrong than other players for doing the same thing.

I find it so amusing that people ridicule Jen for her "so what, I got a bad call, it's part of the game wink wink, I get crappy calls all the time, it was my turn, hahahahaha!!!." That's probably what every single player who knows they got a bad call in their favor thinks but doesn't discuss! Like Venus DIDN'T know she got a call in her favor?

The thing is Jen doesn't calculate her words or say something just to sound good. Could she have said, "I didn't see if the ball was out, it's too bad that had to happen, but bad calls happen and it's unfortunate," like some of the other players, but why not just be herself and tell the truth. If people actually think that most top players who don't ask the ump to change a call in their opponents favor DON'T know they are getting a break, I can't believe it.

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I was extremely critical of my fellow Williams fans regarding the Serena-Capriati "incident". I felt then as I do now that all this call for instant replay was waaaaay overblown. Serena Williams was NOT the first (nor will she be the last) victim of bad calls. The undeniable fact is that BAD CALLS DO HAPPEN. And all of us tennis fans need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.

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It's always funny how people always find a reason why Jen was more wrong than other players for doing the same thing.

I find it so amusing that people ridicule Jen for her "so what, I got a bad call, it's part of the game wink wink, I get crappy calls all the time, it was my turn, hahahahaha!!!." That's probably what every single player who knows they got a bad call in their favor thinks but doesn't discuss! Like Venus DIDN'T know she got a call in her favor?

The thing is Jen doesn't calculate her words or say something just to sound good. Could she have said, "I didn't see if the ball was out, it's too bad that had to happen, but bad calls happen and it's unfortunate," like some of the other players, but why not just be herself and tell the truth. If people actually think that most top players who don't ask the ump to change a call in their opponents favor DON'T know they are getting a break, I can't believe it.
Those consideration could be a factor. However, contrasting Venus vs Linddsey againist Capriati vs Serena, Venus clearly could not have seen where the ball landed. Carpriati could and did see the ball.

In addition, posters make their own judgement based on past history.
They know it ould be out of character for Venus to try get something she did not deserve. Besides, except for an occasional short look at or a gingerly walk to service line, Venus never argues a point.

Posters would keep all those factors in mind when deciding to comment on contentious situation.
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I love shit-stirring topics like this. It's why I really can never stay away from the board for too long. I gave a shit-stirring answer, too!

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Her response afterwards is what ticked lots of people off. She knew it was in and her response was "Well I deserve some calls sometime".
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Quote:
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I was extremely critical of my fellow Williams fans regarding the Serena-Capriati "incident". I felt then as I do now that all this call for instant replay was waaaaay overblown. Serena Williams was NOT the first (nor will she be the last) victim of bad calls. The undeniable fact is that BAD CALLS DO HAPPEN. And all of us tennis fans need to accept that fact and shut the hell up.
Can you shut the hell up for all of us

Venus might as well get her mail forwarded to Serena's shadow. She's going to be there forever!
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Her response afterwards is what ticked lots of people off. She knew it was in and her response was "Well I deserve some calls sometime".

Sure, but to be fair, that reporter really put her on the spot with that question..... It wasn't Jen's responsibility to call the lines... the reporter should have been asking that question of the umpie not Jen.....
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