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Conchita Martinez's chances of getting into the Hall of Fame

the mary pierce thread made me think of conchita's chances for the hof. here's a few of her credentials to remind everyone:
  • won wimbledon
  • finalist melbourne
  • finalist roland garros
  • us open, two time semifinalist
  • reached #2 in the world
  • currently has over 700 wins
  • 33 career singles titles
  • Won 50-plus matches in six seasons 1992-96 and 2000, including 71 in 1993 and 63 in 1995

thoughts on conchi and the hof?
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She should. Noah did it with 1 win.

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+ 5 Fed Cup titles
+ 3 Olympic medals: 1992 Doubles (silver), 1996 Doubles (bronze), 2004 Doubles (silver)


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well, it's starting to be a problem because looking at these stats, you could already (or at least in 3 years time) place players such as sharapova in there since she has a grand slam title, two semis and career best of world #2...
of course - conchita with her fed-cup wins and rich doubles career has more than sharapova has (at the moment) but surely you have to set the bar higher than that.
Lindsay has a much better chance for instance, with two finals this year and her GS victories, but anyone with less that that is questionable.
how many people can we have in the HOF before it becomes too crowded with potential players that did not quite win the biggies?
that said - she is an enormous player, true giant of the game and an important part of the nineties tennis.
so - personally, i'd put her in - but it raises alot of questions regarding other players with simuler success.
i love them - but i don't know if it's fair to put dementieva, kuznetsova and clijsters in the same row with navratilova, graf and evert.

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cool.

if getting into the hof was based on career consistency, ranking and singles titles, conchi would definitely have pierce beat. the advantage pierce has is slams and more wins over quality players (conchi never beat graf, seles, hingis or the williams sisters in a grand slam).
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Only if Tarabini can make it too

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Entry into the Hall of Fame is a subjective joke.

So even though Conchita ought to be in there I wouldn't hold your breath.

Yes I am still bitter about Novotna getting before Sabatini so deal with it .
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Neither Martinez or Pierce should be in the tennis HOF
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if she gets in then the hall of fame is a joke. I remeber when awhile ago the commentators were arguaging over whether andre should get in, and thats when he had 8 grandslams as he does now. I really think only the truely greats should get in, and martinez imo is not one of them




















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if she gets in then the hall of fame is a joke. I remeber when awhile ago the commentators were arguaging over whether andre should get in, and thats when he had 8 grandslams as he does now. I really think only the truely greats should get in, and martinez imo is not one of them
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Conchita is one of my favorites, and I think she will get in, but it is because today it's the Tennis Feel Good Hall of Fame. She's far more than a one-slammer with her Fed Cup and solid play for many years, but if Jana Novotna and Yannick Noah and even that awful Shriver woman get in, Conchita gets in.

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well, it's starting to be a problem because looking at these stats, you could already (or at least in 3 years time) place players such as sharapova in there since she has a grand slam title, two semis and career best of world #2...
of course - conchita with her fed-cup wins and rich doubles career has more than sharapova has (at the moment) but surely you have to set the bar higher than that.
Lindsay has a much better chance for instance, with two finals this year and her GS victories, but anyone with less that that is questionable.
how many people can we have in the HOF before it becomes too crowded with potential players that did not quite win the biggies?
that said - she is an enormous player, true giant of the game and an important part of the nineties tennis.
so - personally, i'd put her in - but it raises alot of questions regarding other players with simuler success.
i love them - but i don't know if it's fair to put dementieva, kuznetsova and clijsters in the same row with navratilova, graf and evert.
Shonami: While I'd definitely say you're one of the more intelligent posters (from what I read), I have to say that I think you've overlooked something here...

The point is Martinez's longevity, which is incredible. She is "the" definition of a tennis player. She has committed herself to the tour for over half of her life, and has a span of 1988-2005 for beating top ten players. She was in the top 10 from 1989 to 2000, and the top 20 1988-2003. She currently, let's not forget, is no.23 in the race to chase - at 33.

She has spanned so many eras: the tail end of Evertilova, Graf & Sabatini, Graf & Seles, Hingis, Novotna, Hingis-Davenport, Williams', Belgians, Russians...it's incredible. The players she hits with these days were in nappies when she first joined the higher echelons, or even unborn.

But, of course, she's no journey woman, as the stats above will show. She has over 700 career wins - do you know what that means?

It means that only Graf, Evert, Nav'lova, Wade and Sanchez-Vicario (who she's nearly caught) have more career wins.

Conchita's earned her place in both singles and doubles on ALL surfaces, and I have no doubt that, particularly in light of her capturing of the world's most prestigious title, she will be put into the hall of fame.
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I think, personally, the standard should be set at like Martina Hingis, Justine, and Venus. 4-5 majors in singles and some weeks at number one should be the baseline standard. Someone like Lindsay with 3 and tons of weeks at no. 1, a borderline case. Anything below that, no, it's not good enough to me. But I won an Oscar, so maybe my standard is too high.

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Err..Helen Lawson? :

The thing is, what does "Hall of Fame" mean? To me it means commitment to the sport, love of tennis, achievements on the court. And of course, we all have different perspectives of what meets that criteria.

By my own reckoning, Conchita scores more highly than all but a select few in ALL those categories?

For a hall of fame, what do we want? A hall of flash in the pans? Hingis won 5 slams, but she retired herself at 21. You can't look at her career and say "Would she have coped with so and so?" without speculating. These days "here todays, gone tomorrows" are becoming more and more frequent. Players just can't motivate themselves, and in my opinion don't work nearly as hard as Evert, Navratilova and Graf did to establish their hegemony over the major titles.

Yet Conchita is one of the few players who has remained throughout. If the game of tennis ended tomorrow and archivists were looking at who achieved what, they'd see Conchita won Wimbledon, dominated clay court seasons and reached a RG final, played well on hard courts....and that's not all. They'd see her name on tournament listings in 1987, and her name 18 years later in 2005 - beating top 10 players (the world's best) in both years. I think that would draw their attention more than a lot of players who've won more than 2 slams.
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Shonami: While I'd definitely say you're one of the more intelligent posters (from what I read), I have to say that I think you've overlooked something here...

The point is Martinez's longevity, which is incredible. She is "the" definition of a tennis player. She has committed herself to the tour for over half of her life, and has a span of 1988-2005 for beating top ten players. She was in the top 10 from 1989 to 2000, and the top 20 1988-2003. She currently, let's not forget, is no.23 in the race to chase - at 33.

She has spanned so many eras: the tail end of Evertilova, Graf & Sabatini, Graf & Seles, Hingis, Novotna, Hingis-Davenport, Williams', Belgians, Russians...it's incredible. The players she hits with these days were in nappies when she first joined the higher echelons, or even unborn.

But, of course, she's no journey woman, as the stats above will show. She has over 700 career wins - do you know what that means?

It means that only Graf, Evert, Nav'lova, Wade and Sanchez-Vicario (who she's nearly caught) have more career wins.

Conchita's earned her place in both singles and doubles on ALL surfaces, and I have no doubt that, particularly in light of her capturing of the world's most prestigious title, she will be put into the hall of fame.
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I'd like to point out something i thought about regarding her time around and her fed-cup wins -
she'll always be in some way spanish-girl #2, and maybe if she had a different nationality it would be easier to accept her as an equal to ASV, but since the two played together and one against each other, she's always going to be looked down at (quite unfairly).
Perhaps in a different place and time she could have been a 5+ grand slam champ, a gold medalist and a former #1 player, she just so happened to be at the wrong place, all the time.

I'm trying to find the exact words I'm looking for to describe the feeling I get from her career - maybe i can cunclude that she's the most deserving one-time GS winner, and that another trophy would have given her the justified bar over many others "in the way" alla majoli, capriati, pierce and even ASV herself.
just makes you feel for her, in a way.

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