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Why is tennis an olympic sport?

I posted this in the london olympics thread but I feel it needs a thread of its own

What's the point of tennis being in the olympics?
It just seems like a shameless commercialization under the mantra , the more the better. I feel the same thing for soccer, basketball etc.
Does any tennis player grow up dreaming of olympic medals ? NO!!!
Does their livelyhood and reputation depend on it? NO!!!
Do all the best players show up ? NO!!!

I can see for a number of semi pro sports like martial arts , swimming, weight lifting etc where it's the pinnacle of their carreer and biggest event at the olympics but for pro sports like tennis , the incentive is just not there and it's just plain economic exploitation to make olympics bigger but in reality it really undermines the fundamentals of olympics which let's remember started as an amateur competition.

I don't know but as I look at this , I just can't figure out why such a blatant commercialization that undermines the credibility of olympics is allowed.
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IMHO tennis is not olimpic at all......


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Well its only just come back as an Olympic sport (since 1988) where Graf won it and its always been popular and a crowd pleaser so why not?

Its all about the taking part too and not the winning.
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It was a part of the 1896 Games. It should stay. It's a game that can fit easily in the Olympic city and now with London hosting, imagine how big tennis would be, considering it'll be played at Wimbledon!

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Originally Posted by ezekiel
I posted this in the london olympics thread but I feel it needs a thread of its own

What's the point of tennis being in the olympics?
It just seems like a shameless commercialization under the mantra , the more the better. I feel the same thing for soccer, basketball etc.
Does any tennis player grow up dreaming of olympic medals ? NO!!!
Does their livelyhood and reputation depend on it? NO!!!
Do all the best players show up ? NO!!!
The Olympic draws are usually excellent. They become Upset Central once competition begins.

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I can see for a number of semi pro sports like martial arts , swimming, weight lifting etc where it's the pinnacle of their carreer and biggest event at the olympics but for pro sports like tennis , the incentive is just not there
Ask any player who's won a medal at the Olympics and you might find out otherwise. Start with Goran Ivanisevic, who relished his Olympic experience so much that he demended the Olympics be held "every three weeks" so he could do it again.

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and it's just plain economic exploitation to make olympics bigger but in reality it really undermines the fundamentals of olympics which let's remember started as an amateur competition.

I don't know but as I look at this , I just can't figure out why such a blatant commercialization that undermines the credibility of olympics is allowed.
Tennis is different than the other sports that have been invaded by pros: no one country dominates. Look at Athens: China, Belgium, and Chile were the medal-winning countries. Did anyone give the Chinese women a chance in the doubles? Or Massu and Gonzalez? This isn't like the basketball tournament, where the US team has traditionally been the playground bully (and wasn't it a great story when they crashed and burned in Athens?). Any player who enters, historically, has got a fighting chance to come home with a medal (Marc Rosset, Jordi Arrese anyone?).

Something tells me you won't complain much if Ivanovic wins a medal at the next Olympics.

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The Olympic draws are usually excellent. They become Upset Central once competition begins.
How is this a fact and what does it matter?
There are upsets in every tournament. I am not sure this is connected to the discussion here.



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Ask any player who's won a medal at the Olympics and you might find out otherwise. Start with Goran Ivanisevic, who relished his Olympic experience so much that he demended the Olympics be held "every three weeks" so he could do it again.
No, I'll ask every tennis player and they'll say they want to win GS, Wimbledon, Roland Garros, this or that tourney, be number 1 etc. None will say they dream about olympics. Ivanisevic is a bad example to bring into this discussion since he is an idiot who talks a lot.



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Tennis is different than the other sports that have been invaded by pros: no one country dominates. Look at Athens: China, Belgium, and Chile were the medal-winning countries. Did anyone give the Chinese women a chance in the doubles? Or Massu and Gonzalez? This isn't like the basketball tournament, where the US team has traditionally been the playground bully (and wasn't it a great story when they crashed and burned in Athens?). Any player who enters, historically, has got a fighting chance to come home with a medal (Marc Rosset, Jordi Arrese anyone?).
It's more likely that the best players don't compete so it's just as likely some guy from Afghanistan may win it. In other words it's just another second tier tournament.


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Something tells me you won't complain much if Ivanovic wins a medal at the next Olympics.
No , I won't care if she wins because frankly I won't be watching it and I have no desire whatsover to follow it. During the olympics I'd just rather watch other sports which I don't watch or follow otherwise. Last I heard , the stands were empty for tennis last summer in Athens
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What I always wondered is why there is no mixed in Olympic tennis program.

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Yeah, it´s a bit weird, true...but not weird enough to say that tennis doesn´t belong in there.

Ezekiel, you haven´t been around during last year´s Olympics, we prety much had the same discussion, I think most posters would rather "win" a Slam than Olympics gold although e.g. Justine said that winning Gold at Athens was a totally different experience for her cause it´s a win for your whole country.

I think she got a point there. From a players point of view it must be awesome to win a gold medal for your country and then the kind of sport doesn´t matter anymore.

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I think they should make it a team event - mens and women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles with 4 men & 4 women making up the team.

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I think they should make it a team event - mens and women's singles and doubles and mixed doubles with 4 men & 4 women making up the team.
That´s a nice idea actually!

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How is this a fact and what does it matter?
There are upsets in every tournament. I am not sure this is connected to the discussion here.
Your point was that the best players don't show up. They do. Look at any of the Olympic draws and you'll see that the top players are there. If it didn't matter to them, they would find reasons not to go.

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No, I'll ask every tennis player and they'll say they want to win GS, Wimbledon, Roland Garros, this or that tourney, be number 1 etc. None will say they dream about olympics. Ivanisevic is a bad example to bring into this discussion since he is an idiot who talks a lot.
Given the choice, yes-- most players would prefer to win Slams or be #1. That doesn't alter the fact that the top players make room on their schedule for the Olympics. They understand the occasion and its importance.

And claiming that Ivanisevic is "a bad example" because "he is an idiot who talks a lot" in no way invalidates his comments. His opinion of the Olympics is from someone who played there and appreciated the experience. Many players share his opinion. Just because you disagree with him is no reason to consider his opinion worthless, especially as he has firsthand experience that you don't. As you haven't played the Olympics yourself, I'd say his opinion is considerably more substantial than yours.

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It's more likely that the best players don't compete so it's just as likely some guy from Afghanistan may win it. In other words it's just another second tier tournament.
The best players do compete. Look at the list of medal winners:

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No , I won't care if she wins because frankly I won't be watching it and I have no desire whatsover to follow it.
Fine. Don't watch it. Just don't assume that everyone else will avoid it. Judging by the number of threads the Olympic tournament generated here, quite a few people care about it.

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During the olympics I'd just rather watch other sports which I don't watch or follow otherwise. Last I heard , the stands were empty for tennis last summer in Athens
They were empty for a lot of sports. (The home crowd had few tennis players to root for, which is always a factor; the stands were full in Atlanta [for example].) Popularity is a lousy decider for what is valid. Many tournaments have sparse crowds (YEC, anyone?). Even Grand Slams can have sparse crowds for the early rounds; by your logic, we should get rid of them, too.

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If you would have seen Nico Massu's and Fernando Gonzalez's reactions after winning the gold medal - you would have known.

I also don't think Justine was too depressed as she won it, or am I wrong?

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How is this a fact and what does it matter?
There are upsets in every tournament. I am not sure this is connected to the discussion here.

No, I'll ask every tennis player and they'll say they want to win GS, Wimbledon, Roland Garros, this or that tourney, be number 1 etc. None will say they dream about olympics. Ivanisevic is a bad example to bring into this discussion since he is an idiot who talks a lot.

It's more likely that the best players don't compete so it's just as likely some guy from Afghanistan may win it. In other words it's just another second tier tournament.

No , I won't care if she wins because frankly I won't be watching it and I have no desire whatsover to follow it. During the olympics I'd just rather watch other sports which I don't watch or follow otherwise. Last I heard , the stands were empty for tennis last summer in Athens
Or, put simply, read this:

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2004-08-24/c.php

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Tennis is an international sport

All international sports of any merit at all should be contended in the Olympic Games.
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That´s a nice idea actually!
just pray that marat and nastya dont pair out or they'll crash and burn in round 1!

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