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Did Losing 6-0 6-0 to Davenport affect Sharapova?

A first blush, the answer seems, 'no'. She made the Miami final, after all. But since that 6-0 6-0 loss, her record against top players has been. wretched.
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AUS OPEN ........ 1st 110 KARATANTCHEVA ..... W 6-3 6-1
AUS OPEN ........ R64 _87 LEE-WATERS ........ W 4-6 6-0 6-3
AUS OPEN ........ R32 _64 LI ................ W 6-0 6-2
AUS OPEN ........ R16 _19 FARINA ELIA ....... W 4-6 6-1 6-2
AUS OPEN ........ QTF __5 KUZNETSOVA ........ W 4-6 6-2 6-2
AUS OPEN ........ SMI __7 WILLIAMS, S ....... L 2-6 7-5 8-6

Toray Pan Pacific R32 ... BYE
Toray Pan Pacific R16 _50 VENTO-KABCHI ...... W 7-6 6-0
Toray Pan Pacific QTF _22 LIKHOVTSEVA ....... W 6-3 6-3
Toray Pan Pacific SMI _32 ASAGOE ............ W 6-1 7-6
Toray Pan Pacific FNL __1 DAVENPORT ......... W 6-1 3-6 7-6

DOHA ............ R32 ... BYE
DOHA ............ R16 _33 DULKO ............. W 6-1 6-1
DOHA ............ QTR _35 BARTOLI ........... W 6-3 6-2
DOHA ............ SMI _28 HANTUCHOVA ........ W 6-2 6-4
DOHA ............ FNL __9 MOLIK ............. W 4-6 6-1 6-4

INDIAN WELLS .... 1st ... BYE
INDIAN WELLS .... R64 105 HAYNES ............ W 6-1 6-2
INDIAN WELLS .... R32 _37 SAFINA ............ W 6-2 6-3
INDIAN WELLS .... R16 _28 ZULUAGA ........... W 4-6 6-2 7-5
INDIAN WELLS .... QTR _33 PIERCE ............ W 6-4 6-3
INDIAN WELLS .... SMI __1 DAVENPORT ......... L 6-0 6-0

MIAMI ........... 1st ... BYE
MIAMI ........... R64 _58 DANIILIDOU ........ W 6-0 6-4
MIAMI ........... R32 _85 IRVIN ............. W 6-2 6-0
MIAMI ........... R16 _26 ASAGOE ............ W 6-1 6-2
MIAMI ........... QTR _40 HENIN-HARDENNE .... W 6-1 6-7 6-2
MIAMI ........... SMI __9 WILLIAMS, V ....... W 6-4 6-3
MIAMI ........... FNL _38 CLIJSTERS ......... L 6-3 7-5

BERLIN .......... R64 ... BYE
BERLIN .......... R32 _49 GROENEFELD ........ W 6-2 6-2
BERLIN .......... R16 _52 PENG, SHUAI ....... W 6-2 6-1
BERLIN .......... QTR _15 HENIN-HARDENNE .... L 6-2 6-4

ROME ............ R64 ... BYE
ROME ............ R32 _42 MEDINA GARRIGUES .. W 6-4 6-2
ROME ............ R16 _24 PIERCE ............ W 7-6 6-4
ROME ............ QTR _15 BOVINA ............ W 6-2 6-2
ROME ............ SMI _13 SCHNYDER .......... L 3-6 6-3 6-1

ROLAND GARROS ... 1st _41 LINETSKAYA ........ W 6-7 6-2 6-4
ROLAND GARROS ... R64 244 REZAI ............. W 6-3 6-2
ROLAND GARROS ... R32 _56 CHAKVETADZE ....... W 6-1 6-4
ROLAND GARROS ... R16 _46 LLAGOSTERA VIVES .. W 6-2 6-3
ROLAND GARROS ... QTR _12 HENIN-HARDENNE .... L 6-4 6-2

BIRMINGHAM ...... R64 ... BYE
BIRMINGHAM ...... R32 _94 KREMER ............ W 6-3 6-0
BIRMINGHAM ...... R16 _49 STOSUR ............ W 6-3 3-6 6-1
BIRMINGHAM ...... QTR _87 DANIILIDOU ........ W 7-5 2-6 6-1
BIRMINGHAM ...... SMI _19 GOLOVIN ........... W 7-5 6-1
BIRMINGHAM ...... FNL _20 JANKOVIC .......... W 6-2 4-6 6-1

WIMBLEDON ....... 1st _36 LLAGOSTERA VIVES .. W 6-2 6-2
WIMBLEDON ....... R64 _52 KARATANTCHEVA ..... W 6-0 6-1
WIMBLEDON ....... R32 _57 SREBOTNIK ......... W 6-2 6-4
WIMBLEDON ....... R16 _18 DECHY ............. W 6-4 6-2
WIMBLEDON ....... QTR __8 PETROVA ........... W 7-6 6-3
WIMBLEDON ....... SMI _16 WILLIAMS, V ....... L 7-6 6-1
And that record is somewhat worse than it looks. Miami was Henin-Hardenne's first tournament of the year. And Venus' woes (pre-Wimbledon) have been well chronicled. Sharapova was a justifiable heavy favorite in both those matches. And the Wimbledon win over Petrova was over a player who is the true 'new Kournikova'. A top ten talent who can't win a tournament.

But every tournament where she has to play someone ranked #13 or higher, she's lost since then. The jury is still out on this theory because of the surfaces involved. Half the tournaments since IW have been on clay. And even losing to Venus at Wimbledon can't be considered that bad. Venus is far and away the best Wimbledon performer since Graf and Nav.

However, I'm going to be looking for some big wins over 2005's best performers this summer. She's ranked #2, she wona slam and the YEC. And at 18 years old, she's an adult. Age no longer matters.

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U trying to say ms sharapova cant beat anyone ranked in the top 7?

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I don't think so in all honesty. Three of her losses came on her worst surface, clay, to perennial tricky clay court opponents ( i.e Henin & Schnyder ). Venus was a class apart at Wimbledon against Maria so I don't think the 0 & 0 drubbing had a big impact on Maria. However, I do agree the hardcourt season will be a very important time for Maria in terms of whether she can secure a reputation as the one to beat on the tour or whether she'll be viewed as part of the chasing pack, even as a world #2.
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No, I think the AO loss affected her far more probably...
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I guess we won't know for sure until the next time Davenport and Sharapova play. Should be an interesting match!
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No, it's been remarkable how little she's been affected by it. I think that's mostly because of the reasons behind it - she knows exactly WHY she lost 0-6 0-6 and it was nothing to do with her game. So she can move on quite easily.

She hasn't actually had a bad loss since, actually. Clijsters beat everyone there was to beat in the IW/Miami swing. Sharapova is not ready, and may not be ready for a few years yet, to beat the likes of Henin-Hardenne and Schnyder on clay; anyone who thought she would was a little deluded. And we all know how well Venus played at Wimbledon.
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But regardless of whether you think the loss affected her or not, the point remains that she hasn't won any really big titles this year. There was the Tier I at Tokyo, but that traditionally has never had a strong field and was at the very beginning of the year. Unless she wants to be demoted back down to the "pretender" list instead of being a "contender" she needs to start beating the top players more often.


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I think losses like ones to Davenport, Kim, and Venus just display that Maria seems not to know what to do when seriously challenged. Against Lindsay she mouthed the words "she's getting everything back" with a helpless look on her face. She had no plan B to stop Lindsay.
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No, it's been remarkable how little she's been affected by it. I think that's mostly because of the reasons behind it - she knows exactly WHY she lost 0-6 0-6 and it was nothing to do with her game. So she can move on quite easily.

She hasn't actually had a bad loss since, actually. Clijsters beat everyone there was to beat in the IW/Miami swing. Sharapova is not ready, and may not be ready for a few years yet, to beat the likes of Henin-Hardenne and Schnyder on clay; anyone who thought she would was a little deluded. And we all know how well Venus played at Wimbledon.
Good points.

Maria's worst surface is clay. She's learning to play on it, but she's not yet ready to beat the clay masters.

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I think losses like ones to Davenport, Kim, and Venus just display that Maria seems not to know what to do when seriously challenged. Against Lindsay she mouthed the words "she's getting everything back" with a helpless look on her face. She had no plan B to stop Lindsay.
No. Maria knows what to do when seriously challenged. She fights. Sometimes the other player is having their perfect "in the zone" day and its not going to work. Kim came back like a lion in Florida, hitting freely, nothing to lose, glad to be back on tour. She beat everyone she met. It's what Tracey Austin called the "surge" when a player returns free of the pressures of the tour and the weight of expectation. The same happened for Justine on clay, and probably for Venus at Wimbledon.

As far as "no plan B" goes, that can apply to a lot of players, including Lindsay. If the A game is good enough and being eecuted right, a B game is superfluous.

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She hasn't shown herself ready to beat top players who are gunning for her, who know what she's up to game-wise (not rocket science) and have come out to counter her strengths and attack her weaknesses. It would be great for her to start now getting those scalps again, but I actually give her until early next year to get her stuff together and develop into a more complete player.

By the way, nearly the entire top 10 know how to play very well on hard courts. And remember that American hard courts often reward the more complete player in spades. I see Sharapova's top player scalps coming during the indoor season.

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It could have affected other players and their belief in beating her as much as it's affected Maria.
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She hasn't shown herself ready to beat top players who are gunning for her, who know what she's up to game-wise (not rocket science) and have come out to counter her strengths and attack her weaknesses
sigh... I think you're right. Last year she was the 'new kid on the block' and so had the element of surprise...
After leading 2-0 in H2Hs the other player's coaches finally found a way to some extent counter her game, but that doesn't mean she can't beat them
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She hasn't shown herself ready to beat top players who are gunning for her, who know what she's up to game-wise (not rocket science) and have come out to counter her strengths and attack her weaknesses. It would be great for her to start now getting those scalps again, but I actually give her until early next year to get her stuff together and develop into a more complete player.

By the way, nearly the entire top 10 know how to play very well on hard courts. And remember that American hard courts often reward the more complete player in spades. I see Sharapova's top player scalps coming during the indoor season.
Maria has only had one loss this year so far to a player who hasn't held the Number 1 spot, and that was to Patty on clay. And she beat mary Pierce on clay in Rome.

On hard courts, Maria reached the Semis of the Australian, beating Kuznetsova, was runner up in Miami, having beaten Henin-Hardenne and Venus, and won Doha. So she's not been too sloppy on the concrete this year so far.

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