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I would rate Margreat Smith-Court as probably the greatest woman player of the more modern era. Her carrer spans the pre and Open era. She won the most singles slams and many doubles and mixed doubles titles in an era when most of the top players played singles and doubles. Navratilova would be my second best. Her overall record is close to Court^s, but I think Margreat was a better all court player than Martina. She won 5 French Opens to Martina^s 2. Her last FO win was against Evert after having given birth to her first child. I would rate Graf #3. As great as she was, once Seles was stabbed her competition was not as good as Court^s, or Martina^s. Evert would be my next choice. I think she lacked the power to defeat Graf regularly, except perhaps on clay. Maria Bueno was an incredible player, probably the most beautiful all court game of all, but not quite as constant as those mentioned above. A true joy to watch though!
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Are you talking about singles specialists, or tennis players? If you're limiting it to singles, it's awful hard to put Navratilova ahead of Graf. Personally, I DO put Navratilova ahead of Graf, but objectively, it's hard to justify. I do agree with 1) Court, 2) Navratilova, 3) Graf, 4) Evert, with King #5, but only if you're talking tennis overall, not just singles.

And there aren't ten posters on this board who know who Maria Bueno is. Who had the more beautiful game, Bueno or Goolagong?

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Here's a nuclear bomb of a post in a thread that's going to launch a wtaworld war.....

Hi thrust! As this is your third post, I guess you're quite new. If you're interested in the players of the 60s-80s, check out "Blast from the Past". One of the members is currently putting together a career record for Margaret Court.

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There is no way of telling who is the greatest. The Field was way less competitive in the earlier days. A Powerplayer today playing against Court or Nav, would blow them off the court, period! There has to be a different measure when asking who is the best, and including players of a MUCH less weaker field. No one will ever get 15+ grand slams. Having 2 grand slams today, means way more than having two grand slams in the earlier years! It's like playing a Game... and there are 3 different levels, Easy, Medium, and Hard. In the past the game was on easy, now it is very much on hard. And winning a grand slam, will take its toll on the body.

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There is no way of telling who is the greatest. The Field was way less competitive in the earlier days. A Powerplayer today playing against Court or Nav, would blow them off the court, period! There has to be a different measure when asking who is the best, and including players of a MUCH less weaker field. No one will ever get 15+ grand slams. Having 2 grand slams today, means way more than having two grand slams in the earlier years! It's like playing a Game... and there are 3 different levels, Easy, Medium, and Hard. In the past the game was on easy, now it is very much on hard. And winning a grand slam, will take its toll on the body.

Federer has 5 slams and will surpass McEnroe, Connors, Ashe and probably Borg, maybe even Sampras. Obviously the men's game is on "easy" today.

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Fed just won his FIRST SLAM THIS YEAR! the results speaks for themselves. As good as he is , he has been upset.

We are not refering to men's tennis anyway. You are completely aloof

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I would rate Margreat Smith-Court as probably the greatest woman player of the more modern era. Her carrer spans the pre and Open era. She won the most singles slams and many doubles and mixed doubles titles in an era when most of the top players played singles and doubles. Navratilova would be my second best. Her overall record is close to Court^s, but I think Margreat was a better all court player than Martina. She won 5 French Opens to Martina^s 2. Her last FO win was against Evert after having given birth to her first child. I would rate Graf #3. As great as she was, once Seles was stabbed her competition was not as good as Court^s, or Martina^s. Evert would be my next choice. I think she lacked the power to defeat Graf regularly, except perhaps on clay. Maria Bueno was an incredible player, probably the most beautiful all court game of all, but not quite as constant as those mentioned above. A true joy to watch though!
but australian open was a joke during so many years......it was a national championship ......look at the draws...
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Fed just won his FIRST SLAM THIS YEAR! the results speaks for themselves. As good as he is , he has been upset.

We are not refering to men's tennis anyway. You are completely aloof

Why do you think no woman ever will be able to win 15+ slams again?
Because Williamses, Davenport, Capriati are unable to?
Well, Graf, Evert, Navi could do it.
And there will come an all-time great again some day who will challenge those icons of modern tennis.

Sampras (14) and Borg (11) are the best slam winners among the men.
Federer has already 5 and is only just at the beginning. Obviously in men's tennis there is no rule that dominant players are gone forever. Or did they just forget to tell Roger?
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There are just so many competitors out there today. Serena, Venus, Hen, Lindz, Cap, Shav, Mary, Kuz, Dem, Amelie, Mol, and a lot of other players that will cause big upsets. I dont see anyone winning 15+ grand slams. Now with Nadal, and many others in the mix it may get even more complicated for the men. People say that Roger is a great! Roger will prolly win 10+ grand slams. But for a great to have only won 1 slam thus far this year is telling. You can't count anyone out, especially if they are on!

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Calimero, no one should ever quote ex-players who become commentators. Like all 'journalists', they say one thing one minute, and another the next. And they ALL have little axes to grind. Chris Evert has said one thing out of her mouth about Steffi, and another out of her other orifice!
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There are just so many competitors out there today. Serena, Venus, Hen, Lindz, Cap, Shav, Mary, Kuz, Dem, Amelie, Mol, and a lot of other players that will cause big upsets. I dont see anyone winning 15+ grand slams. Now with Nadal, and many others in the mix it may get even more complicated for the men. People say that Roger is a great! Roger will prolly win 10+ grand slams. But for a great to have only won 1 slam thus far this year is telling. You can't count anyone out, especially if they are on!
Sampras who has the most grand slam titles never won more than two in a year. Federer has already won 3 in one year and is favorite to defend his US Open title.

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Yes, Fed is a great! I hope he does get 20 plus slams. I like him a lot! But i dunno about that

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Sampras (14) and Borg (11) are the best slam winners among the men.
Federer has already 5 and is only just at the beginning. Obviously in men's tennis there is no rule that dominant players are gone forever. Or did they just forget to tell Roger?
I was watching perhaps your most favorite match ever this past weekend, the '88 Wimbledon Ladies Final. The most recent women's final left me wanting to see a match with some all-court play. Plus, I wanted to prove it to myself that Roger gets more adulation for hitting shots that Steffi was hitting long ago.

I was satisfied on all counts. There was Steffi in the 2nd or 3rd set retreating to the baseline to cover a lob from Martina. Martina advances to the net and hits a drop volley off of Steffi's return. From about five feet behind the baseline, Steffi sprints to the Deuce court and at the last minute flicks a forehand crosscourt, short angle, wide for a winner. There were four or five other shots that Steffi hit which reminded me of shots that Federer hit at this year's Wimbledon. Almost from the same spots on the court, it was uncanny.

So, why didn't Steffi ever get the same adulation. I have the BBC Broadcast of the match with Ann Jones and Virginia Wade commenting and they certainly gave Steffi her due. Something, of course, must have been lost in the translation, because the Americans, if NBC's broadcasts back then are any indication, never saw fit to bask in the spectacle of her shotmaking. Thus, there could be something after all to your long standing claim that not-being American compromised Steffi's chances of claiming the "greatest ever" title outright.

Federer clearly has found a way to transcend that nationalism. Or, it could just be that there are fewer people in the broadcast booth or in sports marketing agencies with an agenda against him.
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