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post #1 of 58 (permalink) Old Jul 4th, 2005, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
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women ranking sytem is a joke

My friends , I think Marcel Rios was right after all

The simple fact that a No 14th seed can crush the No 2 and 1 seed and win the all thing is a joke to me .

When I said a couple weeks ago that LINDSAY allways fakes back pains

I was hystericaly badrepped!!!

on the man's tour , ranking reflect talent !
But ,on women tour it reflects opportunits and usurpers

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lmao when has lindsay had problems with her back in the recent past?!

I wouldnt have thoughd she'd have faked it when she was ahead in the set!

And how the hell did venus crush Lindsay?! I seem to remember lindsay DID have a championship point over Venus!

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Do you think Venus should have been ranked above Lindsay and Maria?
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Serena beat #4 #2 and #1 to win the AO.
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You have to take into account consistency. Yes, Venus played much above her ranking at Wimbledon but she lost in the 3rd round of the French in a performance that was actually lower than her 16 world ranking. The rankings are not stupid because if Venus continues her Wimbledon form she will be top5 in no time. Davenport fully deserves her number 1 ranking by being a serious contender at every event, whereas its been impossible to predict which Venus would show up. However, there probably should be a bigger points reward to winning/getting to the latter stages of grand slams. But all in all the rankings do reflect who is better than who.
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Lindsay always fakes ??? and since when seeds reflect the lvl of tennis played?

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You have to take into account consistency. Yes, Venus played much above her ranking at Wimbledon but she lost in the 3rd round of the French in a performance that was actually lower than her 16 world ranking. The rankings are not stupid because if Venus continues her Wimbledon form she will be top5 in no time. Davenport fully deserves her number 1 ranking by being a serious contender at every event, whereas its been impossible to predict which Venus would show up. However, there probably should be a bigger points reward to winning/getting to the latter stages of grand slams. But all in all the rankings do reflect who is better than who.
You're right, Lindsay definitely derserves her #1. No other player has been more consistent this year.

Really, don't even look at me...
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You have to take into account consistency. Yes, Venus played much above her ranking at Wimbledon but she lost in the 3rd round of the French in a performance that was actually lower than her 16 world ranking. The rankings are not stupid because if Venus continues her Wimbledon form she will be top5 in no time. Davenport fully deserves her number 1 ranking by being a serious contender at every event, whereas its been impossible to predict which Venus would show up. However, there probably should be a bigger points reward to winning/getting to the latter stages of grand slams. But all in all the rankings do reflect who is better than who.
if only more people used thier heads prior to thier hearts...
very well explained.

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Do you think Venus should have been ranked above Lindsay and Maria?
from her performance in grass , YES.

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from her performance in grass , YES.
That's only one tournament though.
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This thread is a joke.
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Ranking is only used for seeding and is based on consistency so your complaint is null and void. Upsets happen , that's why the matches are played.
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Lindsay always fakes ??? and since when seeds reflect the lvl of tennis played?
Since the ranking system was introduced.

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That's only one tournament though.
So ??

we're talking about wimbledon....

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Yes, the rankings are a joke - but that's NOT the full story.

Players who focus too greatly on the rankings become a joke. This is the point. They get injured, exhaust themselves, and start to think they're better players than they are. Think of Hingis, Dokic, Coetzer in 1997, Zvonareva - they all overplayed to keep their rankings up.

So the rankings aren't meant to be serious. All they are for is to give the tournament an objective idea of who are the best players of the last year so that they can plan that those players meet in the later rounds. The rankings are simply for prestige, for the spectators; to simplify the order of ability for the all-important public whose support the tour obviously needs. Hingis, for example, knew she couldn't win slams, so she played 22 tournaments a year and her career ended prematurely - all for the sake of prestige, to say she was "the world number one". Zvonareva was insecure about being the 5th or 6th best Russian last year, Mauresmo about not winning a slam, hence her focusing on -- and failing -- to win the race to chase of 2004.

So people need to stop criticising the rankings every time a player wins one tournament (by any logic, the best player in the world for that week) and her 52 week doesn't reflect that. We could have weekly rankings, or monthly rankings - but would that be any better? In a lot of situations the Williams sisters would be unranked.

Intelligent players don't take the rankings seriously. Graf and Seles never did, and what both of them did incredibly well was to focus on one thing, and one thing only - the ball. If they played the ball the best they could, they knew they'd probably win, and if they won, and won, and won, they'd hold trophies. And with the trophies, came their rankings. The Williams', Sharapova and Davenport are the same - and that's why I think Sharapova will last.

If intelligent players don't focus on their rankings, the same goes for the fans (however tempting it is).

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