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Serious Discussion: Are the Russians a Level Below the Fab Five??

Fabulous Five
Serena Williams - 7 Slams
Venus Williams - 5 Slams
Justine H-Hardenne- 4 Slams
Lindsay Davenport- 3 Slams
Kim Clijsters- 4x Slam RU

The Russian Assault
Maria Sharapova - 1 Slam
Svete Kuznetsova- 1 Slam (Current Holder)
Anastasia Myskina- 1 Slam
Elena Dementieva- 2x Slam RU
Nadia Petrova
Dinara Safina
Elena Likhotseva
Elena Bovina
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OK, The Russians DOMINATED 2004. There was a huge void on tour with the Willi's and Belguims injured and not playing well during that year. Not at the level where we expected them. Davenport didnt turn it on till late in the summer. We were all surprised by how well they all played last year and they truly took advantaged (IMO) of weak fields and sub par play for the people we all expected to do well.

Are they a level Below the Fab 5? 2005 has been Very telling. With most of the Top Players coming back in shape....It's no doubt the Russians are contending, but where are all the dominating wins we've expected. Kim, Serena, and Lindsay have been cutting them off at the hip so-to-speak in the major tournaments. It seems as if Sharapova has broke away from the pack yet....Dementieva, Myskina, Petrova and other Russians are not far behind her. But 2005 Has seen some sort of an ORDER RESTORING type of year w/ Serena winning OZ, Justine winning FO, and Venus winning WB and there are no Russians in sight besides Maria(who's american by default).

Will the Russians re-eclipse women's tennis with the Fab Five all healthy? What has contributed to their Fall? Will they rise again or just Maintain that Contenders card?

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How many variations of the same thread can there be?
Russians are here and have been coming strong but there is a correction time when the old guard pulls their tricks. Road to the top is never easy, unless your name is steffie graf and your competition is a bunch of 30 year olds. All the russians are young anyway so don't judge them too early.
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The Russians have just began their era. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Yes. the Fabulous Five have had a lot longer to gather their honours, so bare totals are not comparable.

This year the Old guard have had their comebacks, and most of the Russians have dropped off in form. Maria has done better, but has met some tough performers at their best at crucial times. The future however for the Russians looks better.

Sabine Lisicki, Maria Sharapova, Elena Dementieva,

Victoria Azarenka, Dinara Safina, Maria Kirilenko

Nadia Petrova, Samantha Stosur, Ana Ivanovic.

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The Russians have just began their era. Rome wasn't built in a day.
so can we fault the media for making the public and tennis fans feel that the Russian Domination of a year ago would eclispe all other armada's in tennis?
Yeah Most of them are young from ages 29-18 but...aren't those tennis prime ages?

We have all been lead to believe that they HAVE arrive, Not Arriving.

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Russians are here to stay.

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elena dementieva, serena williams, caroline wozniacki, ana ivanovic
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In years to come, 2004 will be seen as just an hors-d'oeuvre. The main course is yet to come, and make no mistake, it's full of Russian cooking

The answer, btw, is because Kuznetsova is having a sophomore slump, which all great players do; Sharapova is in fact performing above expectations by NOT having a sophomore slump; and Myskina's performances this year have nothing to do with what she's capable of, given that she's been struck by family tragedy. Pete Sampras took three years after his first breakthrough to win his second Slam. ASV and Mary Pierce took five years. Serena took three years. Different players adjust to life among the elite at different rates.
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There are a few young Russians up and coming in the juniors who could make big news.

Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova
Maria Mokh
Alisa Kleybanova
Ekaterina Makarova
Ekaterina Kosminskaya
Evgeniya Rodina
Elena Chernyakova

Plus in a year or two, I think the likes of Kirilenko, Chakvetadze, Douchevina, Linetskaya, Safina will become a force as well.
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Sharapova has been a force to reckon with this year on all but clay and one point more for Sveta could have given us a different French open champion this year.

Both are still teenagers so I'd expect them to challenge the 'fabulous five' as you put it in years to come.

In a sense they've achieved slam wins before their time.
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Foot_Fault, just a minute ago in the other thread you were saying how Petrova, Kuznetsova, Sharapova are all above Justine on all surfaces exept clay, be consistent.

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Sharapova has been a force to reckon with this year on all but clay and one point more for Sveta could have given us a different French open champion this year.

Both are still teenagers so I'd expect them to challenge the 'fabulous five' as you put it in years to come.

In a sense they've achieved slam wins before their time.
Kuznetsova is 20.
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Kuznetsova is 20.
Actually she's only 20

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Kuznetsova is 20.
In that case it's time for retirement.
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Foot_Fault, just a minute ago in the other thread you were saying how Petrova, Kuznetsova, Sharapova are all above Justine on all surfaces exept clay, be consistent.

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Foot_Fault, just a minute ago in the other thread you were saying how Petrova, Kuznetsova, Sharapova are all above Justine on all surfaces exept clay, be consistent.
i really didnt think you would be one to Lie. I said...that Kuzzy can beat Justine on HardCourt. Petrova PROVED she can Beat Justine on HardCourt, Sharapova PROVED she can Beat Justine On Hard Court. I NEVER SAID the phrase ALL SURFACES.

You really want an argument huh? I dont engage in that. If we can't discuss like adults(maybe you're not, i dont know) then we can cease reply. Dont follow me around Lying. I never said ALL SURFACES xcept Clay. We were talking about one surface THE US OPEN which is Hard Tru. Me Being consistent? You stop Lying. SHAME ON YOU!

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