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Kim! What is Justine's success doing to her?

Kim and Justine have gone almost neck and neck in the way their careers have panned out. They have been so similar in every aspect except the slam tally. Now Justine just extended that lead to 4/0 lead, I always thought kim could catch up but it is now beginning to look like a distant dream.
Can anyone read Kim's mind around here? On a serious note is this likey to spur kim on or get her down with frustration.
This is a valid point, look what venus success did to serena, it forced her to get to another level and when serena overshadowed venus, venus began to take a dive.
Kim and justine are in this uniques postion coz they main stars out of their country, the russians are in sufficient numbers and don't have to be compared one on one.

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Yes, I was thinking about posting a thread about how their comeback-paths split at this tournament, but decided not to because it would probably have caused hard feelings or fights.

However, to explain my theory in short I thought their comebacks were pretty even until Roland Garros:

Kim loses in QF of first tournament back, but goes on to win 2 very big titles on her best surface in impressive style. Then she loses in the semi's of Warschau - which after all wasn't a major shock considering the surface and Kuzzie's ability on it. Then she gets injured in Berlin - so no valid loss to Patty for me.

Justine loses in QF of first tournament back, but goes on to win even 3 (2 really big) titles in equally impressive style (esp Berlin) on her best surface.

So pretty similar until 4th round of Roland Garros. Then Kim loses after having a very dominant lead over Lindsay, Justine has matchpoints against her, so both had very close matches where the line between winning and losing was very thin. I was watching Justine fall 3-5 and 15-40 behind and was stunned by how similar their paths would look once again and ready to post a thread about it. But then Justine's mental toughness saw her trough somehow (maybe also Kuzzie's mental fragileness). I somehow knew that, after that 4th round win, Justine was over her toughest opponent and would probably win the title (easily said, I know but look at some prediction threads if you don't agree). So I feel that the difference in mental strength saw their paths diverge here, and it's actually the first time the gap was so big.
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I expect Justine to retire in 2 or 3 years (especially if she completes the career Slam) given the toll that playing @ this level would likely take on her health again. (Including the brutal workouts that make it possible to ovacome the "size factor"). Kim can likely play @ a high level to "30 plus". Unless Flipper or whoever becomes a force, Kim will be "the Belgian", post JHH.
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If Kim can sort her head and body out in time for the US open she has a really big chance.
She seems to love playing on hard courts and don't know if I am psychic but think she is gonna win US open.

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I'm pretty sure Kim is finally at home getting ready to slit her wrists after watching Mary choking against Justine today.

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Based on the play I saw from Mary today I wanted to slit my wrist so I can imagine Kim felt worst. That was the saddest FO finals in 17 years! Mary shoud have just forfeited the match without even getting on court. What a joke!
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Unfortunately, I think Kim is finished. I don't see her been competitive with Justine again. There was a time when Kim had a winning head-to-head record against Justine (in fact, she owned Justine). But even then, I knew it was just a matter of time before Justine sorted out little problems in her game and got her head on straight. She did that in early 2003 and it's been the point of no return. Whereas Kim, she had already reached her peak by then.
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not sure that Kim will have a longer career... It seems like her body is not holding that great either.

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I expect Justine to retire in 2 or 3 years (especially if she completes the career Slam) given the toll that playing @ this level would likely take on her health again. (Including the brutal workouts that make it possible to ovacome the "size factor"). Kim can likely play @ a high level to "30 plus". Unless Flipper or whoever becomes a force, Kim will be "the Belgian", post JHH.
talk about doom and gloom

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I hope kim and amelie get to meet in a slam final one of these days, at least one would win a title then.

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kim wil win wimbledon and US Open and shock u guys

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I expect Justine to retire in 2 or 3 years (especially if she completes the career Slam) given the toll that playing @ this level would likely take on her health again. (Including the brutal workouts that make it possible to ovacome the "size factor"). Kim can likely play @ a high level to "30 plus". Unless Flipper or whoever becomes a force, Kim will be "the Belgian", post JHH.

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I expect Justine to retire in 2 or 3 years (especially if she completes the career Slam) given the toll that playing @ this level would likely take on her health again. (Including the brutal workouts that make it possible to ovacome the "size factor"). Kim can likely play @ a high level to "30 plus". Unless Flipper or whoever becomes a force, Kim will be "the Belgian", post JHH.
sorry but I really fail to understand that reasoning.

You are saying the toll that playing at this level will likely take on her, then the rest of the assumption is pretty bold.

She is extremely fit, and being in great shape will not take a toll, it's actually the other way around. Sure, overtraining can weaken her inmune system but then you are assuming she needs to overtrain to compete which is again, your opinion, not based on facts but just your perception.

As somebody pointed out, if someone's body seems to be taking a toll it's Kim.

I don't know how you can say that being small takes a toll when it's usually the opposite, yes, Justine has to work harder to get as strong as the other girls but as long as she doesn't cross the limits that's ok, being fit is healthy.

Kim on the other hand is heavier, her joints suffer more, especially with her style, she runs very fast and the splits, Justine on the other hand plays a much energy saving game (and I am not saying that one is better than the other, all I am saying is that Kim's style is more punishing to the body).

Additionally, and this is just an opinion, for Justine tennis is her life, she loves playing tennis, while I believe Kim has other interests, and that's a factor.
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Kim always said she wouldn't play very long because she'd love to have a family right?
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Kim always said she wouldn't play very long because she'd love to have a family right?
Yeah, but how would she do that right now?

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