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post #1 of 75 (permalink) Old Oct 18th, 2001, 03:31 AM Thread Starter
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Post What do you guys think of Kim Clijsters?

What do you think the odds are of her getting to the #4 ranking next year?

What about #3?

She was competitive versus the top four in 2001. A 2-5 record.
But one loss was the French Open final 10-12 in the third.
Is Kim ready?

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2001 RG CAPRIATI 6-1 4-6 10-12

2001 Sydney HINGIS 4-6 4-6
2001 IW def. HINGIS 6-2 2-6 6-1

2001 OZ DAVENPORT 4-6 0-6
2001 WB DAVENPORT 1-6 2-6
2001 Stanford def. DAVENPORT 6-4 6-7(5) 6-1

2001 US V.WILLIAMS 3-6 1-6

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post #2 of 75 (permalink) Old Oct 18th, 2001, 04:04 AM
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she was soooooo cool until she got too trendy. <IMG SRC="smilies/sad.gif" border="0">
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trendy? What for making the top 5?

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She lost the match against Steffi Graf at 1999 Wimbledon but you could just see from that showing that she had the "look" that she was going to be big. So I'm not surprised to see her doing so well and reaching the Top 5.

I'm a fan of Kim's, she's really talented and she's got a great game. Her athleticism, together with her powerful groundstrokes (especially that ferocious forehand), her competitive nature, mental tenacity and her developing all-court game will keep her around the top for a long time to come. I still think she can improve as a player which will be very scary for the rest of the tour, and also she's still young. Who knows how far she can go?

I think she can get to that top echelons, I mean, she's already there, but I think she can get to the Top 3, and maybe can even get to #1 as long as she has the drive to keep improving. She has the heart, the mind and the weapons, why not?

She just needs to improve her consistency even more. She is getting a lot more consistent, but she still needs to eliminate those losses like against Sugiyama etc.

She can certainly challenge the best, obviously she nearly beat Capriati at the French, has beaten Hingis, beaten Davenport, beaten Henin and nearly beaten Serena. If she can challenge more consistently, and really have the belief that she can beat them, then she really has a shot at that #1 ranking in the future.
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People keep on saying that Kim can improve but I don't see how. Any *specific* ideas? I'd like to hear them.

Her volleys can get a little better, although doubles with Ai has improved them immensely already. And her shot selection could get a little better.

But I don't think that either of those things is actually going to make any real difference to whether or not she wins matches. They'll make a slight difference in that she'll win matches that she'd have won anyway more easily and lose matches in three sets rather than two, but that's it.

I just don't see that she has enough weapons to beat the top players on a regular basis. I cannot see how she could ever beat Venus, Serena, Justine, Jen, Martina, Lindsay when they are at the top of their game. I know she's beaten Justine, Martina & Lindsay before but those victories were partly because they weren't playing at their best. Not that Kim didn't play well, but as I've already said Kim at her best isn't good enough to beat them at their best.

I like Kim, I like watching her play, and I think she'll be in the top 10 or just outside for a long time to come, but I don't think she'll ever get to the top. Why? Because I don't see precisely _how_ that would happen.
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I think Kim is just as cool as she was before <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
The only thing I don`t understand is why she is skipping so many tier 1 tournaments latly but alright that`s her decission and I am sure she knows what she is doing <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I hope she improves her serve and believes she can beat everbody then she can stay in the top 5(or higher) for a long time <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

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Oh, I thnk Kim believes she can beat anybody already, and that's what has always made her so exciting to watch. It also accounts for a lot of the great progress she's made too: sheer belief.

I wouldn't bet my pony on Kim getting the #4 this year, but with Martina still having quite a few points at the beginning of next year, that would certainly be a possiblity.

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sk, why do you keep saying Kim can't improve anymore? What makes her so different from let's say Henin, Dokic, Dementieva?
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Of course Kim can still improve her game. Her serve e.g., one of the most important parts of the game today. Once she gets more consistence in it, it will become a great weapon. Her shot selection can also improve a lot. I think she hits too many drop shots. Although in the last matches I saw from her, she was already using it much less.
The more experience she gets, her game will become more consistent generally.

When you're only 19 years old there's always room for improvement.

Kim will certainly enter the top 4 next year, she will take Martina's spot. And if she manages to play a whole year at her best, then I believe she can enter the top 3.

sk, you say you can't see how she could beat Venus, Serena, Justine, Jen, Martina, Lindsay when they are at the top of their game.
Well she did beat my Justine at the French, when Justine was at the top of her game. She almost (yeah, I know almost beat Serena at the US Open at 17. I'm sure you still remember how close she was. A more consistent serve and the match was hers. You can't say Serena wasn't at her best, she won the US Open that year.

Venus at her best, that would be a really tough one, I admit. But I can't see how Elena, Justine, Jelena, even Lindsay would win from Venus then.

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Josh - I say that because I can't see anything that she can really improve on. I'm open to suggestions on it, though, so if you can think of something that she could change that would make a real difference to her game, say so! I don't have opinions cast in stone on this, so feel free to tell me what *specific* things you think she can improve.

As for Henin, Dokic, Dementieva, there are loads of obvious things that they can improve on. Just off the top of my head -

Henin - starting matches better (she loses the first set way too much), better 1st serve %age because when it's in it's great, volleying more on grass, getting the backhand more consistent under pressure.

Dokic - getting her serve and especially her second serve better, better shot selection and timing.

Dementieva - serve (again), accuracy, consistency, returns need some work.

Kim's game seems to be pretty much as good as it's going to get. And it is damn good, just not _quite_ good enough to get her to the very top.
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Meant to add... I think she has a fantastic personality. She's very much herself at all times without being brash or bratty. I don't think I've ever heard of her making a single catty comment about another player. But at the same time she's not reserved or cold, she's just naturally a tactful, gentle person. And the other thing I really like about her is that she so often looks like she's having fun on court, especially when she's playing doubles. She & Ai are a very entertaining team to watch.
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Nope, Justinator, you are mistaken. Kim was 16, not 17, when she nearly beat Serena at the US Open. Only 3 months after her birthday, too.

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Kim's making an awful lot of unforced errors. She can improve a lot there. Often her balls go wide or hit the net. It's her style, she plays risk tennis.
So I do think she can improve.

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You're right disposable, for a second I though Kim was 19 now. Of course our Kimmie is only 18.

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exactly viva, when she was around top 20 or so it was ok to be a huge fan of belgian tennis and particularly kim. however, now its like, kim clijsters, and everyones like oh i know kim and blah blah blah. while deserving fully to be trendy, its a pity i cant be like GO KIM anymore <IMG SRC="smilies/sad.gif" border="0">
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