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For VENUS FANS: The Breakdown- Let's Discuss

I dont know how long this will be up before the haters come in and mess it up...but Lets break it down anyway. As the 11 seed she has a pretty decent draw Venus can get deeper than expected in this Tournament...Let's break down her path.


Rd. 1
Marta Marrero
(Played her this week, beat her Love and Love. See much of the same happening in Paris, may not be the same scoreline but a win nonetheless.)

Rd. 2
Fabiola Zuluaga
(If I am not mistaken Venus took a love set off her before ON CLAY. Should get into so good Clay Court Rhythm here. I forecast a win here as well)

Rd. 3
Shinobu Asogoe
(Crafty player, playing Zulu may help her in this match, both are really better on faster surfaces, but at this stage i think Venus patience may win this match for her)

Rd.4
Anastacia Myskina
(Myskina has been very Mysterious this year, losing to ppl she shouldn't and playing very uninspired. I have NO IDEA how she is going to come out, can only on current form, Gut and Heart says Venus will pull this one out...If Myskina makes it that far.

Rd. QF
Elena Dementieva
(Toughest test so far. Mostly in Venus' hand, she has to control the court from the return of serve, IF she can keep Dementieva off Balance on her return game, Venus should secure enough breaks to win this match. However the key is Venus' Serve holding up over 60%. We all know how lethal Dementieva is from the Ground, Venus has an excellent chance but will have to remain focus, move forward and attack those weak serves, not so much with pace, but with precision of being one shot ahead of Elena to keep her off balance.) If Venus is Serving 60% or better, moving forward and keeping ED's Serve in Check I actually she her winning this in 2 sets.

Rd. SF's
Lindsay Davenport
(How can you NOT pick the #1 player in the world to make it deep into a GS event, I love Kim and Kim has Davenport's #, but we don't know how Kim is playing, which may even be better for Venus b/c she LOVES the balls fed off Kims racket. Bounce right in Venus' strike zone. However, with Davey, it depends on how she is feeling in the match. If she is thinking clearly, I pick her. If Venus is hitting the ball well and serving well and willing to Move Lindsay around, hit drop shots and make her run, Venus wins. When Venus is controlling the court, she beats Davenport everytime.) An inspired Patty may sneak in to mix up the pot a lil. Every year there is a surprised Semifinalist or Finalist...lets hope Venus is that surprise this year.

Final Round
Amelie Mauresmo/Justine
(this is her year, but we've said that every year b/c of her God Given rigged Draws. If her head is into the WIN she will win. But Justine can also slip through here and she and Venus has matched up for a LONG while...could be interesting. I would love for Venus/Henin final or Venus/Mauresmo final and speaking as a fan. Ofcourse with venus being the Victor.


Venus has a great shot, but so do others. Her play this week in Turkey was inspiring, did it give her the confidence she needs to go in and play HER GAME, not her opponents. That is the Key w/ Venus. Serving and Conversions. If she take her opportunities...she's well on her way.

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i think we should take it one match at a time

lets just focus with her match with marta for now, which hopefully venus will win nice and easily

after all, thats the only match up listed that is guaranteed
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I'm looking forward to the Venus/Dementieva QF. It'll be good to see if Venus will avenge her Hong Kong loss.

I think Venus should make it to the QF, and if Dementieva doesn't stop her, I want her to go all the way.

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Looks like Dementieva will be Venus' toughest opponent in the draw. I don't know why Venus always has trouble with her. Serena usually CRUSHES her....In fact she's NEVER taken a set off Serena.

Really, don't even look at me...
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The challenge with Dementieva, Davenport and Clijsters is going to be Venus' fitness. Also if she can go on the offensive instead of always be defensive. Last time I saw Venus play a match she was always being run back and forth and then making errors on forehand side when she gets out of position.

A lot of balls come back from Elena D and Kim - Venus has to be patient. Also she needs to go deep with her return but not necessarily go for the winner. If she hits a lot of returns in the net going for too much - its over. Serena did this well in 2002 - putting opponent on the run with deep balls in the corner and lots of angles - forcing the error not going for winners so much.

Venus can do this she has to serve well, be patient and stay tough. Plus get ready to play lots of defense but stay inside the baseline and fire away - ala - Monica Seles!!!! Run these girls side to side Venus!!!!! If they start centering the ball punish them by making them run !!!

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I have faith. I actually think Lindsay in the SF is a stretch, considering Clijsters in the 4th. However...regardless I believe Vee will win!
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Looks like Dementieva will be Venus' toughest opponent in the draw. I don't know why Venus always has trouble with her. Serena usually CRUSHES her....In fact she's NEVER taken a set off Serena.
This is true, but Venus and Dementieva have similar builds and similar games. Venus has a way better serve and Dementieva has a way better forehand...their backhands and net game are pretty much comparable (Venus with the slight edge) but Dementieva has superior movement and anticipation.

The reason why ED has so much trouble with Serena is because Lena tends to tone down her offensive game against Serena (for whatever reason). Serena isn't miles better than her, I think Lena just has a mental block against her...similar to Myskina. If Lena can beat Venus and Davenport who can beat Serena, then it's logical to assume she COULD win against Serena...

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Firstly, I predict Asagoe will be upset before the third round because her clay court game leaves a lot to be desired.

I have a feeling Myskina will do well here and rediscover her form so I'm not sure about that fourth round encounter... Venus should win and she needs to be consistent throughout and get off to a good start to bash Myskina's confidence. If she beat Myskina there's no reason why she can't beat Dementieva too. She beat Myskina in Antwerp too when not playing great tennis but Myskina trounced Venus at least years French...

I'd predict a semi.

As well as cutting down her errors, she needs to cut out loose games.. I think Lindsay broke Venus to love to secure both the second and third sets in Amelia Island.

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I just want venus to win every match. Several matches to look foreward too and this really is a doable draw for her all the way to the semis. She has played soem inspired tennis this year and then lot focus the very next day. Hope she keeps her cool right thru.
I believe she will find form eventually, every player does, no one slumps forever unless severely injured. Venus' time is now.

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This is true, but Venus and Dementieva have similar builds and similar games. Venus has a way better serve and Dementieva has a way better forehand...their backhands and net game are pretty much comparable (Venus with the slight edge) but Dementieva has superior movement and anticipation.

The reason why ED has so much trouble with Serena is because Lena tends to tone down her offensive game against Serena (for whatever reason). Serena isn't miles better than her, I think Lena just has a mental block against her...similar to Myskina. If Lena can beat Venus and Davenport who can beat Serena, then it's logical to assume she COULD win against Serena...
Some people games just match up well for others...
Take for instance Jennifer Cap vs. Serena and JCap vs. Venus. Venus Loves the pace. Serena is more Angular than Venus, so when she plays someone like JCap, she tries to do to much and finds herself in a dog fight...Venus total opposite with JCap.

Same with Lena D. She is a tad bit more consistent from the Ground than Venus, so where Venus is trying to End the point, Serena is trying to WORK the point.

When it comes to Elena D on clay, Venus has to do 4 things.
#1. Play HER GAME
#2. Attack her Weak serve, not with Winners but with offbalacing placement
#3. Serve 60% or Better, When Venus is serving well she's playing well
#4. Remain PATIENT

Those things will help her secure enough breaks to defeat her in 2 sets.

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the main thing for Venus is maintaining focus throughout a match. her problem is she's had bad games and bad points, and not being able to recover

honestly thats the only big difference mentally from now and a few years ago...because technically she is more sound than she was a few years ago
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Nice analysis. Reasonable, too.
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Good analysis, Foot_Fault. However, considering that Asagoe, Myskina and Dementieva do get upset before their match-ups with Venus, is there anyone else in the section that would pose any sort of threat to Venus? I scanned over the draw so am not too sure myself, but I think Mary Pierce is in there somewhere. Though, Venus did crush her at Roland Garros last year (or was it in 2003?).

I think that the Istanbul title will give Venus a confidence boost, and she won't be tired either since all her wins were rather lopsided. However, will the quality of opposition Venus will face in the early round at RG be any higher-quality than what she had to face all week in Turkey?

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The reason why ED has so much trouble with Serena is because Lena tends to tone down her offensive game against Serena (for whatever reason). Serena isn't miles better than her, I think Lena just has a mental block against her...similar to Myskina. If Lena can beat Venus and Davenport who can beat Serena, then it's logical to assume she COULD win against Serena...
Serena's serve is miles better than hers and that weakness is what prevents Dementieva from challenging Serena. It's no mental block either, it's a serve block. Serena plays agressive and her game centers around the serve which prevents Dementieva from getting a rhythm. I've seen many times how Dementieva folds against a superior serve.

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I honestly think Venus has a great shot this year. Im hoping that all the hard work shes been putting into her game finally pays off. As far as her draw goes .... I think its a really nice draw seeing that shes the 11th seed heck this draw is better than some shes had when she was seeded number 1. If she plays her game and doesnt allow some of her mental issues to get in the way I really dont see why she cant take home grand slam 5. Heres to hoping Venus does the best she can do!!

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