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Beating multiple slam winners in slam finals - sign of greatness!

Of course the sheer number of slams won don't tell the whole story (Eg. Hingis who most of the time beat Mauresmo types in slam finals). So we have to analyse whom the game's greats beat in their winning slam finals to get a broader picture. Beating a player in a slam final who won at least 4 slams herself in her career most surely is a sign of real greatness.
Let's have a look (open era):


Stefanie Graf beat 5 different opponents who each won 4+ slams during their careers (Navi, Evert, ASV, Seles, Hingis).

Martina Navratilova beat 3 of this rare breed (Evert, Mandlikova, Graf).
Christine Marie Evert beat 3 as well (Navi, Goolagong, Mandlikova).
Court (King, Goolagong, Evert), Seles (Graf, ASV, Navi) and Goolagong (Court, Evert, Navi) are up there with 3 too .

So it is
#1: Graf 5
#2: Navi, Evert, Court, Seles, Goolagong.

What about today's players?
Does anyone know?
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Of course the sheer number of slams won don't tell the whole story (Eg. Hingis who most of the time beat Mauresmo types in slam finals). So we have to analyse whom the game's greats beat in their winning slam finals to get a broader picture. Beating a player in a slam final who won at least 4 slams herself in her career most surely is a sign of real greatness.
Let's have a look (open era):


Stefanie Graf beat 5 different opponents who each won 4+ slams during their careers (Navi, Evert, ASV, Seles, Hingis).

Martina Navratilova beat 3 of this rare breed (Evert, Mandlikova, Graf).
Christine Marie Evert beat 3 as well (Navi, Goolagong, Mandlikova).
Court (King, Goolagong, Evert), Seles (Graf, ASV, Navi) and Goolagong (Court, Evert, Navi) are up there with 3 too .

So it is
#1: Graf 5
#2: Navi, Evert, Court, Seles, Goolagong.

What about today's players?
Does anyone know?
You're too funny you know, your logic is simply illogical as crazy as it may sound. So Hingis slams are worth crap because of whom she beat and then you include her in whom Graf beat, so if shes just crap, then mrs Great Stephanie Graf could only beat crap players dont you think?
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Of course the sheer number of slams won don't tell the whole story (Eg. Hingis who most of the time beat Mauresmo types in slam finals). So we have to analyse whom the game's greats beat in their winning slam finals to get a broader picture. Beating a player in a slam final who won at least 4 slams herself in her career most surely is a sign of real greatness.
Let's have a look (open era):


Stefanie Graf beat 5 different opponents who each won 4+ slams during their careers (Navi, Evert, ASV, Seles, Hingis).

Martina Navratilova beat 3 of this rare breed (Evert, Mandlikova, Graf).
Christine Marie Evert beat 3 as well (Navi, Goolagong, Mandlikova).
Court (King, Goolagong, Evert), Seles (Graf, ASV, Navi) and Goolagong (Court, Evert, Navi) are up there with 3 too .

So it is
#1: Graf 5
#2: Navi, Evert, Court, Seles, Goolagong.

What about today's players?
Does anyone know?
I disagree, I think the true sign of greatness is winning 108 or more titles.
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I disagree, I think the true sign of greatness is winning 108 or more titles.

No, I'd say winning a zillion mixed doubles titles clinches it ....
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Of course the sheer number of slams won don't tell the whole story (Eg. Hingis who most of the time beat Mauresmo types in slam finals). So we have to analyse whom the game's greats beat in their winning slam finals to get a broader picture. Beating a player in a slam final who won at least 4 slams herself in her career most surely is a sign of real greatness.
Let's have a look (open era):


Stefanie Graf beat 5 different opponents who each won 4+ slams during their careers (Navi, Evert, ASV, Seles, Hingis).

Martina Navratilova beat 3 of this rare breed (Evert, Mandlikova, Graf).
Christine Marie Evert beat 3 as well (Navi, Goolagong, Mandlikova).
Court (King, Goolagong, Evert), Seles (Graf, ASV, Navi) and Goolagong (Court, Evert, Navi) are up there with 3 too .

So it is
#1: Graf 5
#2: Navi, Evert, Court, Seles, Goolagong.

What about today's players?
Does anyone know?
Yawn....
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No, I'd say winning a zillion mixed doubles titles clinches it ....
108 singles titles then.
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wow graf wins again, what a shocker!

Serena: Australian Open Champion 2005

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I think Wills Moody takes the cake, but Gunther will tell us that he was only counting the open era, so what's the use?

Romney/Ryan 2012
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Another interesting cutoff at 4+ slams. Wonder who Cali's excluding now.
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Kim Clijsters

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Venus Williams Justine Henin Amelie Mauresmo Elena Dementieva
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Davenport beat Graf and Hingis in slam finals, and she's still chugging!

Sharapova beat Serena...

Serena beat Venus...


I don't know of any others.
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Davenport beat Graf and Hingis in slam finals, and she's still chugging!

Sharapova beat Serena...

Serena beat Venus...


I don't know of any others.
Serena beat Hingis.

Venus beat Serena.
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Its just frustrating to try and put some sense in a moran like calimero.




















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Serena Williams beat Venus Williams, 4 time slam winner (2 Wimbledons, in fact), 4 consecutive times in 4 Consecutive Slam finals. She also beat 5 time Slam winner Martina Hingis at the US Open 1999.

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