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Who has benefitted the most from the absence of Mary and Lindsay?

Which top player has benefitted the most from the absence of those two power players...Venus, Jen, Serena, Martina, or Seles. Let's look at their head to heads.

......................Mary........................ Lindsay

Martina ........10-6........................... 11-14
Venus...........5-2..............................9-10
Serena..........2-1..............................7-2
Jennifer.........2-0..............................2-7
Monica...........5-4..............................2-9

First let me say that I did not take into account the most recent matchups or surfaces where victories were obtained. I was looking just for a trend no matter how slight or large. But one thing is for sure both Jen and Monica are not missing Lindsay. It also seems that Martina may not be all that unhappy Mary has been missing. Lindsay probably will shake up the top 5 a great deal on her return. Not so sure with regards to Miss Meryl.

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Well I don't necessarily think anyone in the top five at least benifit at all that Lindsay or Mary have been missing.

If anything it benifited the draws more than anything and allowed lower-ranked players to shine in certain events because Lindsay and Mary have not been in the draws.
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I think all top players have benefited because both Mary and Lindsay can beat anyone on any given day.


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hmmmm

From your options, I would have to say Jennifer and Monica.

Martina vs. Lindsay is a toss up but Mary never bothered any of the listed players (aside from Monica) that much. If Lindsay had played the AO at 100% she would have won it this year. Jennifer did not play as consistently this year as last. Lindsay would have toasted her.

I would have to say it has benefitted Monica, Justine and Kim the most. If you factor Mary and Lindsay in at 100% their potential, you could insert Lindsay one above Martina and Mary one below her. Monica does not fair well against either Mary or Lindsay. Neither Kim nor Justine have the mental toughness to beat these two veterans when they are 100%. I would rank the players something like:

Jennifer
Venus
Serena
Lindsay
Martina
Mary
Monica
Kim
Justine
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Amelie dominated Pierce in 2000. She is a strange bird. So much potential not lived up to.

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I miss Pinky and the Brain. I want Anna K back so she and Hingis can get in more cat fights like the old days.
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I would say, any player who has a loosing record against these two players.

Top 10 specifically

Monica
Henin
Jennifer
Clijsters
Dokic

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I can't wait for Mary to get back to the top of her game. I think it will be really interesting because Mary hasn't played Jennifer since 1993 (FO) and Mary has never played Clijsters or Henin either!!! Now those are going to be some exciting matches when they happen and I don't know for sure if she has ever played Dokic. But I would have to say that Clijsters, Henin, Dokic and Capriati have benefitted the most and that free ride is about to come to an end. I fully expect Mary to be back in full effect by the US Open!!!

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I agree with Scotso. Lindsay is capable of beating all the higher ranked players:

Jen
Venus
Serena
Martina
etc..

So I guess a lot of the women benefitted. I'm so interested in how things are going to play out once she is back and healthy.



I don't really see Mary as being as much of a threat but I do not discount her.

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Of course everyone benefitted in the draws due to their absences, but some players fare better against these two than others. Consider at the AO Venus, Serena, Hingis, and Seles were all on the same side of the draw. Now if Lindsay was on the other half Jen may have had a much tougher time to the finals. That is why I believe Jen probably has benefitted the most. If Davenport was on the other side of the draw, then I would ask Stefano to be alittle fairer making out those sheets.

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but who knows if Lindsay wouldn't have been on Serena's side of the draw at the Nasdaq etc...

Also, Jen's head to head against Lindsay pretty much ended just as Jennifer was starting to play her best tennis. The Jennifer of 2000 is hardly the Jennifer of 2001-2002.

Jen has a better record against Mary than Serena does.

Lindsay leads the head to head againt Venus and Martina.

Again, I think all the top players have benefitted with Lindsay and Mary out.

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Dokic.

Davenport terrorised her in the second half of last year. but then Dokic found a good replacement in Kremer.

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All the top players have benefitted from Lindsays absence.

I wouldnt say so much from Mary's although now shes back She is definatley a dangerous floater. In any draw.

I cant imagine Jen, Marti, or Monica would like to play her in the 1st round of a tournie because they could be in for an early exit.

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Given a choice, I think they'd all rather face Mary, even Serena.

Jennifer has probably benefitted the most, since she has a terrible record against Lindsay, and won a GS title in her absence. But unless you're Serena, seeing Lindsay on the other side of the net means a long day at the office, win or lose.
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Volcana, you see it as I do. Lindsay is a load for anyone (great, great player) But I would bet, Jen's apprehensions exceed Serena's or Venus'. Oh Monica probably is breathing a sigh of relief also.

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Re: hmmmm

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Neither Kim nor Justine have the mental toughness to beat these two veterans when they are 100%.
Well, I have to say that Kim and Justine are not mental tough enough to beat them but that will come very soon when they have a little more experience. They both are still very young, but they are very talented and in a few years they will dominate the WTA tour, that's for sure

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Volcana, you see it as I do. Lindsay is a load for anyone (great, great player) But I would bet, Jen's apprehensions exceed Serena's or Venus'. Oh Monica probably is breathing a sigh of relief also.
I've never, ever seen Jen look apprehensive. I don't think she is scared to play anyone.

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