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Monica d Steffi French 92 - best final ever?

I was watching it yesterday for the first time in eons at radas place (both big monica fans) and we were incredulous at how well they played. I had not seen it in ages.

The angles, power and consistency of the groundies from both players were incredible. Especially Monica's angles Best slam final ever?

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the only thing i could critique about the tennis was the fashion sense!!!!!!! OMG Monica with the white scrunchie and purple (i think) headband and the retro tennis gear looked worse than dare i say serenas dress sense

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Well, it's right up there with the very best!

Evert-Navratilova '85 was a breathtaking match, as was Graf-Navratilova '87, Graf-Hingis '99, and Capriati-Clijsters '01...

I'd probably give Graf-Seles '92 the overall edge because of the incredibly close finish and the aggressive attitude of both players to the very end, with Evert-Navratilova '85 just a half-notch behind it.

Graf-Hingis '99 was a spectacular match, but the third set didn't offer the same level from both players, so it's at a slightly lower level in my book (but what drama! ).
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NO!!!

But nearly. Watch the Australian Open final of the following year. Again, Graf vs Seles.

Graf was in much better form. She was taking her backhand earlier, producing a cutting slice that reduced Seles' angles (or would have done had Monica not responded with better angles than she'd ever hit before). Graf was pounding Seles' corners with her forehand, and hitting the ball more cleanly than at Roland Garros. She was also moving as gracefully as ever.

After a close first set when both players had blasted winners from all over the court, Seles was forced to produce her best form. She served aces, serve-volleyed, hit drive volleys, her returns were like bullets, and her intensity was like that of a pit bull.

The 3rd set was close to begin with, and Graf had her chances with a breakpoint. But yet again, Seles' fearlessness prevailed - she served an ace. From then on, as the commentator said, Seles was "steaming" to victory.

She ended with a return winner from Graf's second serve and raised her arms. 4-6 6-3 6-2 to Seles. Nobody was in any doubt at that stage who was the better player. And it was just 3 months before the course of history was to change.
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Personally, the best slam finals I've seen are these...

Graf vs Seles 1992 French Open final 6-2 3-6 10-8 to Seles

Graf vs Seles 1993 Australian Open final 4-6 6-3 6-2 to Seles

Graf vs Sanchez-Vicario 1996 French Open final 6-3 6-7 10-8 to Graf.

Graf vs Hingis 1999 French Open final (forget the score but Graf won in 3)

...it's just coincidence that Graf features in all of them, LOL. I can think of many great matches where Graf doesn't feature, but not finals. And there haven't been many great finals in recent years.
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as it was the match that got me interested in tennis i would have to say yes even though i didn't like the result
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actually we did just watch aus open final 93 steffica its hard to say i loved em both!!!

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that graf def hingis 99 french was the most entertaining but i dont know about in terms of quality . i actually fell asleep during that match cos we get very late coverage in aus but i did tape it...still it wouldve been much better *live*

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the ao 93 match was higher quality. I wouldn't say either monica or steffi played their best in 92.. but it was a match of incredible drama. So much seemed to be at stake, both players fought fantastically.. it is my favorite gs final for sure.
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As a Graf fan, I was disappointed BY the FO 92 and AO 93. The two best players in the world at the time. I'm not gonna say Graf was the best. I'm not gonna say Seles is the best. People shouldn't say "Oh Seles was gonna dominate had she not been stabbed". People shouldn't say "Oh Graf was gonna dominate anyway despite the stabbing." Look at the results of those two finals, and the 92 W final. Can you honestly say either was gonna stand alone as the undisputed number one in the world. I do believe that Steffi would have gotten her act together and would have made more grand slam finals which is what she didn't do during the period Seles was winning hers.
But overall, among all our Seles/Graf debates, we fail to acknowledge the rivalry they had and its potential greatness! God, can you imagine the many more grand slam finals we would have been treated to by these two if it hadn't been for the stabbing! We as fans shouldn't slate each others favourite, but applaud them for bringing out magical tennis in each other
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AlwaysGraf: Couldn't agree more...

I tend to think Seles would have held a 60-40 edge on clay, a 55-45 edge on hard courts, and 55-45 on carpet....but Graf was 60-40 on grass. But if they'd played 10 times, that divides the matches quite evenly.

Graf would have been in more finals - I agree. She'd have got her act together. That would have been a major test for Seles, with Graf as a regular rival. And I think they'd have split them pretty much evenly, although I do think Seles was marginally a better player. Sanchez-Vicario would still have won 2 slams, in my opinion.

But the saddest thing is that we were denied the spectacle.
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AlwaysGraf: Couldn't agree more...

I tend to think Seles would have held a 60-40 edge on clay, a 55-45 edge on hard courts, and 55-45 on carpet....but Graf was 60-40 on grass. But if they'd played 10 times, that divides the matches quite evenly.

Graf would have been in more finals - I agree. She'd have got her act together. That would have been a major test for Seles, with Graf as a regular rival. And I think they'd have split them pretty much evenly, although I do think Seles was marginally a better player. Sanchez-Vicario would still have won 2 slams, in my opinion.

But the saddest thing is that we were denied the spectacle.

Seles had an edge on Graf on hardcourts? Based on what? How many times has Monica beaten Steffi on a hardcourt? Before you answer A.O. is not a hardcourt. Indoor carpet was one of Steffi's strongest surfaces, she would def. have the edge there.

On clay Monica didn't enjoy a 60-40 advantage over GRAF.

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"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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I've seen the French open 1992 and I can't say I thought it was the most amazing match I'd ever seen but it's probably because I knew the result beforehand.

I think there's a lot to lose out from not watching a match live, the suspense is gone.
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Well, it's right up there with the very best!

Evert-Navratilova '85 was a breathtaking match, as was Graf-Navratilova '87, Graf-Hingis '99, and Capriati-Clijsters '01...

I'd probably give Graf-Seles '92 the overall edge because of the incredibly close finish and the aggressive attitude of both players to the very end, with Evert-Navratilova '85 just a half-notch behind it.

Graf-Hingis '99 was a spectacular match, but the third set didn't offer the same level from both players, so it's at a slightly lower level in my book (but what drama! ).
I'd give Chrissie/Martina the edge based on that one game where Evert was down 0-40, but she won that game by coming to the net..twice while Martina was approaching, too! Evert refused to look at Martina in that match, which was a brilliant idea because Martina was an emotional player and would glare or smile or rant at crucial times. It was like Heaven when Evert passed Martina down the line with her backhand to take that match.

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Great match but it kinda ended in a low key way - petered out rather than climaxed in the last couple of games.
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