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Why Can't a Slam Winner Be Overestimated?

Had to start a separate thread because I think it is a separate question. And not quite so troll-esque.

IMHO any player can be overestimated (estimated too highly/held in too high esteem)

Anyone from a club hack to the best in the world can be though too highly of IMHO.

Am I in the minority thinking this?
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I agree, I think Maria for instance gets revered like she's a dominant player, when she's really not domintating the tour.
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It's certainly harder to make the case if someone's proven themselves by winning a slam, but anyone can be overestimated, and not just by the lunatic fringe, either.

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I agree, I think Maria for instance gets revered like she's a dominant player, when she's really not domintating the tour.


While I respect your opinion, rather than make this about specific players, I'm more curious about why people would think that successful folks can't be overestimated?
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While I respect your opinion, rather than make this about specific players, I'm more curious about why people would think that successful folks can't be overestimated?
I'm not making it about Maria, but it'd be silly not to give an example of my opinion. Obviously you have some players in mind too.

I speak my mind and if someone wants to debate it, then we can talk.
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I'm not making it about Maria, but it'd be silly not to give an example of my opinion. Obviously you have some players in mind too.

I speak my mind and if someone wants to debate it, then we can talk.


I just know how sensitive and testy EVERYONE is on this board.

I have a specific question that I would like to discuss and would prefer this not to devolve into a typical donnybrook about the more controversial members of the WTA.
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I agree, I think Maria for instance gets revered like she's a dominant player, when she's really not domintating the tour.
Yet. She's only just eighteen!

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I agree, I think Maria for instance gets revered like she's a dominant player, when she's really not domintating the tour.
At least she doesn't lose to Silvia Farina-Elia, Jelena Jankovic or Venus Williams...

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I really have to think that tennis at this level is all mental. Those who can stay mentally strong win slams, and this can't be underestimated. We all know that Kim and Mauresmo have the talent to win slams, but they haven't done it mentally, when it counts.
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Anyone can be overestimated in my opinion. For instance, I think Mirjana Lucic was a bit overestimated this week. Granted, the girl's arguably got more talent than half the players in the top 100 combined, but everyone seemed to expect her to win Dothan or something
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I agree, I think Maria for instance gets revered like she's a dominant player, when she's really not domintating the tour.
She may not be dominating the top five, so yea, she isn't #1. But right now there are 1277 who have earned themselves a ranking, and only 9 of them have won slams. When you think of it this way, it's hard to underestimate a slam winner.
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At least she doesn't lose to Silvia Farina-Elia, Jelena Jankovic or Venus Williams...
Those first 2 were retirements so I wouldn't make too much of them and if you had to bring them up it must mean you had a pretty WEAK argument and such is the case. She's 2-0 against Venus yeah, but that has more to do with Venus' bad play rather than Maria not "losing" to her.
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Had to start a separate thread because I think it is a separate question. And not quite so troll-esque.

IMHO any player can be overestimated (estimated too highly/held in too high esteem)

Anyone from a club hack to the best in the world can be though too highly of IMHO.

Am I in the minority thinking this?

I agree. It's a really good point. You aren't in the minority if we're all gonna be truely honest with ourselves.
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And so another potentially useful thread gets derailed.

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Anyway, of course a slam winner can be overestimated. It's hard to assert this without giving examples. But let's just say that if someone claimed that Majoli is one of the greatest five players of all time that would clearly be an example of someone being overestimated. The fact that she is a slam winner doesn't somehow negate this.

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