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Jon Wertheim to receive record amount of hate mail this week

Why would you put Serena Williams before Monica Seles? Please explain why/how Serena makes your top five.
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Yeah, maybe you're right. Here's my defense: Seles' career is -- of course, through no fault of her own -- a great asterisk. She may well have gone down as the best female player the sport has known. Fate dealt her a crappy hand, but you have to assess her career based essentially on what she did achieve, not what she might have achieved. She won (if that's the right tense) eight Majors which, of course, is one more than Serena. But Serena a) won all four Slams; and b) did so against a much deeper field; and c) won a few doubles titles. Plus -- and here is why I favor Pete Sampras over Rod Laver --I can't help but think Serena at the height of her powers beats Seles at the height of hers.

The argument for Seles? She won (has won?) twice as many titles as Williams, won more than twice as many matches, and showed considerably more mettle playing through injuries and sticking to her commitments. Again, this is good bar stool stuff. I could argue either side.
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Aw, makes me wish I'd sent him a letter bomb.

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Hey, I can't find the link to send him a question or comment! Anyone have it?
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OMG! For those that don't know...Monica has 9 Majors.

4 Australian Opens

3 French Opens

2 US Opens

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I agree with JW on this. Serena > Seles.

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You really think he actually means what he said. Next week he'll probably put Seles over Serena if someone asks a similar question. It's not like it hasn't happened before.
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He put's Steffi over Martina even though Martina has far more tournament wins than Graf but then puts Monica below Serena when she has lesser # of GS's and tournament wins ?

@ him not knowing that Monica was "allowed" to win 9 and not 8 slams.
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Werthless is a Graf fanatic, he has long despised Seles. No surprise here, nothing to see, moving on...
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Werthless is a Graf fanatic, he has long despised Seles. No surprise here, nothing to see, moving on...
lol..you sounbd like a williams fan...anyone that says anything you disagree with is a hater...rotf....



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"Graf fanatics" are the only people whose opinion matters.

As long as he puts no one above Steffi, no prob!


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imagine the deluge of hate mail Jon would get if he said, "Take your pick, I think they both suck."
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It's pretty bad that this 'expert' had no clue how many majors Seles had won. You would think if someone wasn't 100% sure about facts, he would research, especially if he is making a comparison that tons of ppl will see. My dislike for him grows every time I read his column.... it's a nasty habit & I'll have to stop reading his work
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there really is no argument for placing Serena above Monica just for beating one person four times in a row in slam finals.

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