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The mirroring arc of Clijsters and Henin-Hardenne's careers continues...

1999: Justine wins her first event and then challenges Lindsay at the French. A few weeks later, Clijsters reaches the fourth round of Wimbledon as a qualifier.

2000: Justine and Kim rise up the rankings, with Kim moving up a bit faster. Both play well at the US Open before losing to Davenport.

2001: Justine wins two tournaments to open the year and reaches the fourth round of the Australian while Clijsters lags slightly behind. They have a breakthrough by reaching the semis of the French, where Clijsters wins. However, Justine avenges the loss a few weeks later and reaches the Wimbledon final. At the US Open, each loses to a Williams sister and each ends the year in the top ten.

2002: Neither of them plays quite as well as in 2001 for most of the year, although Clijsters reaches the Aussie semis (beating Justine along the way) and Justine wins Berlin (beating Serena in the final) and reaches the Wimbledon semis. Both lose early at the French and on the same day in the round of 16 at the US Open in tough three setters. Both have strong indoor seasons with Clijsters beating Justine en route to the season ending championships.

2003: Both lose in the AO to a Williams sister. Clijsters wins Indian Wells and then both dominate the clay court season, with Justine winning 2 titles and Kim winning 1 and losing to Justine in the final of another. At the French, it is no surprise when the meet in the finals, with Justine winning. At Wimbledon, both lose to a Williams again and they dominate the US hardcourt season and play in the US Open final. Both become #1, and at the end of the year Clijsters wins the YEC for the second straight year while Justine clinches the year-end #1 ranking.

2004: Both start well, playing in the AO final and winning a few other titles. However, the intensive training they did begins to show and both come down with either a serious illness (Justine) or injury (Kim) that, despite attempted comebacks by each one later in the year, keeps them out for almost 1 year exactly.

2005: After missing the Australian Open, each makes a triumphant return, with Kim beating a good player en route to the quarters at her first event and winning a Tier I with wins over Davenport and Dementieva at the next, and then Justine reaches the quarters of her first event and wins a Tier I event with wins over Davenport and Dementieva at the second.

My conclusion? Kim and Justine are each other's best rivals, for better and worse. They motivate each other to become better, but almost destroy themselves in the process. Now that they are both back, this is definitely going to continue.

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Wow, that's a great comparison. They do motivate each other, whether it's visible or not. They obviously don't acknowledge that in interviews or anything, but they both know that they are each others' rivals. It's great to watch them both go at it, and it's never an easy battle.

I agree with Janie, hopefully not the destroying part

But what I find ABSOLUTELY crazy is the similarity in their comebacks (results-wise). Kim lost in Quarters to a good Venus in Antwerp, then won Indian Wells beating Lindsay and Elena, Tier I. Then Justine comes back, loses in Quarters to a good Maria in Miami, then wins Charleston Tier I beating Lindsay and Elena! It's almost like "anything you can do I can do better" out there, and the funniest part about it is that it's at the expense of everyone else on the tour destroying everyone in their paths towards greatness.

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There are many other parallels from them, here's a couple :

-they reached top ten the same week.
- their mothers both had cancer, kim's mum battled through, Justine's unfortunately didn't.
- at the beginning of their career, Kim was supposed to be a grass court player ( being a wimbledon runner up in junior ), but reached the final of the french open first.. Justine was supposed to be a clay-courter ( she won the french open junior title ), but reached the Wimbledon final first
-they won a tournament on the same day ( Kim : luxembourg 2002; Justine Linz 2002 )
-they both were born during the month of June, and the distance between their birth place is only 35 Km . Actually, Kim's sister, Elke, was born in the same place as Justine (Liège, Luik, Lüttich, Liegi, Lieja, Liegessa.....whatever you call it ) because daddy Clijsters used to play for FC Liège at the time.

and the list goes on and on....

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1999: Justine wins her first event and then challenges Lindsay at the French. A few weeks later, Clijsters reaches the fourth round of Wimbledon as a qualifier.

2000: Justine and Kim rise up the rankings, with Kim moving up a bit faster.

2001: Justine wins two tournaments to open the year and reaches the fourth round of the Australian while Clijsters lags slightly behind. They have a breakthrough by reaching the semis of the French, where Clijsters wins. However, Justine avenges the loss a few weeks later and reaches the Wimbledon final. At the US Open, each loses to a Williams sister and each ends the year in the top ten.

2002: Neither of them plays quite as well as in 2001 for most of the year, although Clijsters reaches the Aussie semis (beating Justine along the way) and Justine wins Berlin (beating Serena in the final) and reaches the Wimbledon semis. Both lose early at the French and on the same day in the round of 16 at the US Open in tough three setters. Both have strong indoor seasons with Clijsters beating Justine en route to the season ending championships.

2003: Both lose in the AO to a Williams sister. Clijsters wins Indian Wells and then both dominate the clay court season, with Justine winning 2 titles and Kim winning 1 and losing to Justine in the final of another. At the French, it is no surprise when the meet in the finals, with Justine winning. At Wimbledon, both lose to a Williams again and they dominate the US hardcourt season and play in the US Open final. Both become #1, and at the end of the year Clijsters wins the YEC for the second straight year while Justine clinches the year-end #1 ranking.

2004: Both start well, playing in the AO final and winning a few other titles. However, the intensive training they did begins to show and both come down with either a serious illness (Justine) or injury (Kim) that, despite attempted comebacks by each one later in the year, keeps them out for almost 1 year exactly.

2005: After missing the Australian Open, each makes a triumphant return, with Kim beating a good player en route to the quarters at her first event and winning a Tier I with wins over Davenport and Dementieva at the next, and then Justine reaches the quarters of her first event and wins a Tier I event with wins over Davenport and Dementieva at the second.

My conclusion? Kim and Justine are each other's best rivals, for better and worse. They motivate each other to become better, but almost destroy themselves in the process. Now that they are both back, this is definitely going to continue.

Honestly, I have the same eerie feelings.

you could just refer to their W-L records @ GS and you could see how they were close at performing and out-performing with each other.

and to think both represent the two sides of Belgium!

Justine congratulations on your Win.
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I think that the rivalry that exists between the two Belgians is the most intense rivalry there is right now -- it's more intense than the Serena/Jennifer rivarly in the sense that they are both really aiming for glory in Belgium. The matches between Serena/Jen are usually very entertaining and hard fought, and the matches between the Belgian aren't always as competitive but the intensity is all there. You know that they both wanna show each other up not just when they are playing against one another but in their careers as a whole. This is something that does not exist between anyone else in recent memory. They are both trying to up the ante when it comes to how far they can take their career.
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shap_half brings up a pretty good point. They ARE battling for glory in Belgium. They are Belgium's two elite players, and they are like gods. Other rivalries don't have that factor in them. There isn't as much at stake. When Kim and Justine play, it's to represent themselves AND Belgium. When other players play, it's to represent only themselves. It's just totally different mentally.

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There are many other parallels from them, here's a couple :

-they reached top ten the same week.
- their mothers both had cancer, kim's mum battled through, Justine's unfortunately didn't.
- at the beginning of their career, Kim was supposed to be a grass court player ( being a wimbledon runner up in junior ), but reached the final of the french open first.. Justine was supposed to be a clay-courter ( she won the french open junior title ), but reached the Wimbledon final first
-they won a tournament on the same day ( Kim : luxembourg 2002; Justine Linz 2002 )
-they both were born during the month of June, and the distance between their birth place is only 35 Km . Actually, Kim's sister, Elke, was born in the same place as Justine (Liège, Luik, Lüttich, Liegi, Lieja, Liegessa.....whatever you call it ) because daddy Clijsters used to play for FC Liège at the time.

and the list goes on and on....
But Justine's Dad was a postman, while Kim was the privileged daughter of a very famous sportsman. Already Justine may have felt at a disadvantage in relation to Kim -- and then Kim's mum recovered from cancer, as stated, and Justine's mum died. Of course that's just the way life is, but as a kid, I think you couldn't help but resent the kid whose mum lived on while yours was gone forever. Can't ever know these things, but my sense is, the rivalry may run much deeper for Justine than for Kim.
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I cant wait for the day this year the play for the first time again....both amazing competitors..

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But Justine's Dad was a postman, while Kim was the privileged daughter of a very famous sportsman. Already Justine may have felt at a disadvantage in relation to Kim -- and then Kim's mum recovered from cancer, as stated, and Justine's mum died. Of course that's just the way life is, but as a kid, I think you couldn't help but resent the kid whose mum lived on while yours was gone forever. Can't ever know these things, but my sense is, the rivalry may run much deeper for Justine than for Kim.

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ww... i haven't given this some deep thoughts before... great comparison Asmus!

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But Justine's Dad was a postman, while Kim was the privileged daughter of a very famous sportsman. Already Justine may have felt at a disadvantage in relation to Kim -- and then Kim's mum recovered from cancer, as stated, and Justine's mum died. Of course that's just the way life is, but as a kid, I think you couldn't help but resent the kid whose mum lived on while yours was gone forever. Can't ever know these things, but my sense is, the rivalry may run much deeper for Justine than for Kim.
Indeed, very good thinking...

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Honestly, I have the same eerie feelings.

you could just refer to their W-L records @ GS and you could see how they were close at performing and out-performing with each other.

and to think both represent the two sides of Belgium!

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I'm not so sure they themselves perceive it as a rivalry. It's a rivalry beyond themselves, I guess.

I mean, how big is the chance that one year apart, in the same small country, two girls with such amazing tennis talent are born? It's an incredible coincidence, isn't it?
It's like there would have been a second Federer born in Switzerland a year later.
Kim in any case does not perceive it as a rivalry I think.

Anyway, you won't hear me and other Belgian tennis fans complain. We've been spoiled and it looks like we'll be spoiled some more...

May this rivalry last many years!

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But Justine's Dad was a postman, while Kim was the privileged daughter of a very famous sportsman. Already Justine may have felt at a disadvantage in relation to Kim -- and then Kim's mum recovered from cancer, as stated, and Justine's mum died. Of course that's just the way life is, but as a kid, I think you couldn't help but resent the kid whose mum lived on while yours was gone forever. Can't ever know these things, but my sense is, the rivalry may run much deeper for Justine than for Kim.
I don't agree - I think it runs deeper for Kim than for Justine. Justine is a pretty blunt person in general, but she's never said anything bad about Kim to the media, which suggests to me that she genuinely doesn't feel the rivalry in a particularly intense way, whereas Kim made those impulsive bitchy remarks after San Diego which were completely unlike her. I mean, Kim has never said anything bad or bitchy about anyone else, only Justine got under her skin enough to provoke her. I think that's quite telling.
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