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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old Apr 17th, 2005, 07:24 PM Thread Starter
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Which female players AREN'T mentally weak?

Dementieva was up 5-3 in that 1st set and lost 4 games in a row after that. Her serve noticably dips when she's ahead. Most of the Russian players are mentally weak, actually. Kuznetsova has choked in a number of matches, as has Myskina (most notably in the Olympics against Henin-Hardenne).

Justine has developed a reputation as a mentally strong player, but I don't buy it. She's stronger mentally than most of the women, but she still often loses leads and gets tight when she's trying to close out sets and matches. She's just better at hanging on than other players.

Kim Clijsters and Amelie Mauresmo are notorious for getting tight in big matches, and Lindsay Davenport hasn't exactly been a model of mental fortitude (she was a set up in each of her last 3 losses in majors).

Who does that leave? Serena Williams is certainly the toughest mentally in terms of female players. Sharapova is up there, too. Even though she choked away the Australian Open SF earlier this year, it's the only match I can think of that she really got tight in. She held up well in the Wimbledon final, as well as at the year-end tournament.

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Serena and Maria are the strongest. Justine is a fighter too.
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Justine's a figher, but that's different from being a great closer. Clijsters and Dementieva are grat fighters, too, but they choke.

When Justine beat Serena at Roland Garros, didn't she choke the first time she served for the match and had to serve it out again? And, really, she let Kim off the hook in their U.S. Open final but then Kim choked and went away.

This week Justine got tight when trying to serve out the set against Golovin, and today she was up 4-1 (two breaks) against Dementieva and is now at 4-4.

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for the last time, Maria did not choke in the AO, Serena fought hard for those points and won !! No choking of any kind !!

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Mentally weak means not getting behind?

I thought it meant maintaining a good mental attitude throughout the match whether ahead or behind.

Some players don't have that eg. Davenport.

Some do eg. Sharapova.

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Serena and Sharapova are the strongest, mentally. There's a difference between a great fighter (Justine) and mentally strong (Serena and Sharapova).
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Elena D outside of a final seems to be pretty strong.

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Well Chris Evert was the queen of mentally tough.

I find it weird how some players can have it, and then lose it. Venus was SO mentally strong in 2000, and especially 2001...NOTHING fazed her, ever. And it seemed to go away.
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Monica Seles is her hey days was just scary when it comes to mental toughness.

Now i'd say Maria and Serena are mentally strong. Justine was a known choker but is slowly getting stronger in that department.
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Justine is very mentally tough. Yes, she gets nervous and blows leads. But her strength lies in her ability to bounce back from such moments and WIN THE MATCH. I am always impressed at the way she puts her atrocious games behind her and forges ahead again like nothing happened.

Being mentally strong doesn't necessarily mean that you are immune to nerves, only that you know how to recover from them. And that's what Justine has been able to do in her career, as anyone who is objective can recognize (and jenglisbe, I know you from way back on the SI board, and I think you'd have to admit you are definitely NOT objective when it comes to Justine ). The most amazing part about it for me is that Justine famously used to not possess this skill -- she had some world-class chokes earlier in her career which resulted in some dreadful losses. But then she got over it! That astonished me -- where did it come from, her newfound ability to leave her bloopers behind and simply move on in the match as if everything was fine? It's so great to see a player slowly develop this mental strength and thereby turn a good career into a fabulous one.

Others with marked mental strength -- though I contend that NOBODY has it ALL the time: Sania Mirza Serena Maria Ana Ivanovic And Elena D. (Really! She's had so many amazing comebacks! And is #5 in the world despite her problematic serve.)

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maria is best then serena. myskina is just horrible

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for the last time, Maria did not choke in the AO, Serena fought hard for those points and won !! No choking of any kind !!
Watch the match again. When Maria served for the match, she might have gotten one 1st serve in. That's called getting tight. She also played not to lose as opposed to staying aggressive and playing to win. Even she admitted that.

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maria is best then serena. myskina is just horrible
Um, Serena held it together in their Australian Open match. Why do you say Maria is the best?

What's interesting about Myskina is that she was literally the only player to hold it together at all during Roland Garros last year (Kuznetsova should have won their 4th round match, and then Venus, Jennifer, and Elena all folded), but it's about the only tournament she's ever held it together at.

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Everyone has nerves at the important points.Everyone!
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