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Did Pam just say that Justine was a SUPRISE RG WINNER?

I love Pam, but that just makes no sense.

Justine is arguably the best clay court player out there.
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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old Apr 8th, 2005, 06:25 PM
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I wouldn't knwo if she said that.
It was Ju's first GS, she had a rather tough draw, so maybe that's why Pam calls it a surprise . I was surprised Ju won a GS

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well, how would she call Kuznetsova and Myskina then???
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i woulda said Kim was slightly the fave going into the final. but yanno, Pam never speaks much sense anyway
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Pam is too critical sometimes
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i woulda said Kim was slightly the fave going into the final. but yanno, Pam never speaks much sense anyway
I remember all the commentators saying Kim was the favourite just before the final, and I also remember jumping up and down shouting at them because to me, Justine was the CLEAR favourite. Given the total superiority of her clay court game, and all.

Justine was so far from a surprise winner, that year she and Serena were head and shoulders above the rest of the girls going into the tournament. I predicted her win from the start, anyway.
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I remember all the commentators saying Kim was the favourite just before the final, and I also remember jumping up and down shouting at them because to me, Justine was the CLEAR favourite. Given the total superiority of her clay court game, and all.

Justine was so far from a surprise winner, that year she and Serena were head and shoulders above the rest of the girls going into the tournament. I predicted her win from the start, anyway.
yea i understand Henin is good on clay, but base purely on quantitative grounds on their h2h, and the fact Kim is no slouch on clay either, she would have been my pick just by an inch. maybe it was my heart and not my head speaking
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In some ways she was shap. I wouldn't have picked anyone but Serena to win RG.
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I knew a thread would be started about this. She said Iva & Mary were surprise winners.... then she paused and said that the FO was Justine's first major.
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yea i understand Henin is good on clay, but base purely on quantitative grounds on their h2h, and the fact Kim is no slouch on clay either, she would have been my pick just by an inch. maybe it was my heart and not my head speaking
The imbalanced h2h was mostly due to the fact that Kim owned Justine early in their careers... but Justine had begun to clearly turn that round before RG, so I was pretty sure the mental block was no longer there. And I did always think that the mental aspect was the major factor preventing Justine from overtaking Kim decisively.

Woo, I was so right! Shoulda so put some money on some bets that year.
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Serena was BIG favourite back then, then Venus, Kim, Justine came only 4th, so I agree, Justine was a surprise winner!

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Justine's win was the greatest surprise

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Before that year, Justine was known as a choker...so Pam saying that wouldn't be a surprise in reference to Justine at that time.

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Kim was by far the favourite in my books, she was higher ranked and had a better H2H.

Justine was a surprise winner because she beat Serena who was invincible at the time.
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