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venus - how long out of top 5 b4 retires?

she's not in it to be an also ran, and did say when around 20 that she couldn't see herself playing into her late twenties

theres a reason she hasn't been to a GS semi for nearly 2 yrs and its not ability its lack of hunger and commitment

maybe shes playing out her contracts as well!!

not what i truly believe but think another year end rank outside top 5 and without GS final ( at least ) and she won't want to go on much longer
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i think this is more likely to prolong venus career. she's showed she can still mix it with the best when she gets her game under control and this should serve as inspiration to keep improving, whereas consistanly losing to serena in GS finals would have just got mundane and encouraged her to pursue bigger challenges.

tennis is a challenge again. the fact that she is not playing well week in week out is not important in terms of retirement. did anyone with a right mind say sharapova should retire when she was pushed to the brink my zuluaga or lee-waters or when she was double bagelled by lindsay?

venus' problem is perhaps having slightly too much pride to see that she needs to work on the technical side of here game ie forehand and second serve.
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she's not in it to be an also ran, and did say when around 20 that she couldn't see herself playing into her late twenties

theres a reason she hasn't been to a GS semi for nearly 2 yrs and its not ability its lack of hunger and commitment

maybe shes playing out her contracts as well!!

not what i truly believe but think another year end rank outside top 5 and without GS final ( at least ) and she won't want to go on much longer
she hasnt been to a slam semi in almost 2 years not because of lack of hunger or commitment she spent an entire half season out with a seriuse injury and last year was her rebuilding... its amazing how quickly people are willing to tear down a player. Venus has accomplished more than 99.999% of the tour ever will. If she retires tomorrow her place in history is stamped but shes out there competeing and Im sure she will content for the big ones sooner than anyone else relaizes.

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listen, big venus fan but don't believe in the train of thought that the tour has caught up with her, she plays at at a far less aggressive level now and theres only so long that an injury of 18 mths ago can be used as a reason
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i'm not a big venus fan at all. i simply know from having watched venus play for all those years that at her best she is still in league beyond all but a few at their best (perhaps davenport, serena, and maybe now sharapova).

from an objective perspective i can that her shot making ability and court coverage were second to very very few and i still believe that with the right adjustments that she can be back at that level once more.

i am one though who believes the tour has regressed not moved on. as you said in your other current thread - players like myskina and kuznetsova were able to win slams in 1 year with limited capacities (according to you) whereas the two upsets you compared them to (majoli and martinez' slam wins) occurred over the space of 9 years. so how has the tour moved forward?
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I wouldnt be so sure to rule Venus out of the winning grand slam equation just yet, certainly not out of the part where she should be at least challenging for them. She already stated one of her goals for mid way through the season was to be top 4 and defend most of her clay points. I saw the Sharapova match and saw some of the old Venus in her. Always a fighter never out of the match til her opponent decides to take the match away from her. Her serve was pretty decent, hit a couple of unreturnables and quite a few aces, thats what had been lacking the past year and a half. Her net game has improved so much, she always had excellent swinging volleys and ber high backhand volleys were always good, her touch has really improved, she rarely loses a point when coming in.

The match really came down to Sharapova capitalizing on Venus' forehand, however Venus hung in there, just an error too many in the end from this wing, but at one point in the match both were playing a very clean game, quite competitive, both were at a +8 or more differential, and thats really big for how big these two were hitting the ball. So we should see what Venus has in store for us at Wimbledon, her favorite tournie I would say and the one that suits her game the most.
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listen, big venus fan but don't believe in the train of thought that the tour has caught up with her, she plays at at a far less aggressive level now and theres only so long that an injury of 18 mths ago can be used as a reason
I will contiue using the injury of 18 months ago as an excuse if the fact that she hasnt been to a slam semi in almost 2 years is mentioned. Before the injury she made the finals in London... of course the injury had an impact on her game.

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i think this is more likely to prolong venus career. she's showed she can still mix it with the best when she gets her game under control and this should serve as inspiration to keep improving, whereas consistanly losing to serena in GS finals would have just got mundane and encouraged her to pursue bigger challenges.

tennis is a challenge again. the fact that she is not playing well week in week out is not important in terms of retirement. did anyone with a right mind say sharapova should retire when she was pushed to the brink my zuluaga or lee-waters or when she was double bagelled by lindsay?

venus' problem is perhaps having slightly too much pride to see that she needs to work on the technical side of here game ie forehand and second serve.

I hate saying this but I guess I have no choice. Sharapova is 17. Venus has been a pro since 1994. When she was in her late teens I do remember her saying that she didn't want to play any more after 25. Venus just is too inconsistent right now. I think she'll be out of the top 10 after the French but I think she'll find her way back. Lindsay considered retiring herself after just being in the top 5 and losing in finals all the time. Lindsay at the time wasn't in a slam final for 3.5 years. Venus right now is at that same point in her career. If she's going to get better she needs to do it NOW. The Russians are in a small slump. The Belgians are getting better but not there yet. Serena is playing kinda sloppy after the AO. I hope she picks up her game but if she doesn't she might retire by next year.
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yeah had an impact, so did loss of her sister but she's probably got over that as much as she will and the results aren't returning

isn't it all about desire if u've already proved u have the ability and talent?
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I dont know why I bother to defend Venus to people that want her to do badly. Ultimatly its her life and her career and whatever happens shes the only person that is effected. If her winning more slams is a goal of hers I hope she accomplishes that but if shes content with life off the court than I will support that choice as well.... but we all know that the Venus haters really dont want her to do well they would love nothing more than for her to retire... but shes still on the tour and still in the top ten even with her "inferior" game.

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why if someone questions her commitment do people think its an attack on her ability, i love to watch her play but am frustrated when her performances are a shadow of what she did/could show

she's my fav for gods sake but being objective i have doubts she'll reach the highs she did
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So who else with Venus should retire?
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jeez, did u read the question

i don't want her to retire, i'm just asking if u think she'll weather being ranked outside the top 5 for more than a season or 2 b4 moving on
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jeez, did u read the question

i don't want her to retire, i'm just asking if u think she'll weather being ranked outside the top 5 for more than a season or 2 b4 moving on
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venus - how long out of top 5 b4 retires?


Is your memory going?

It's always interesting having this type of question or a remark about Venus being made with her current rank and form when all I have to do is look at some of the players ranked ahead of her and many ranked after her who haven't even achieved half of what she has. Venus' story is not over, so no, I don't see her retiring anytime soon. She did say afterall that she and Serena would both play into their 30's.
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Oh i think Venus has a one more slam in here easily
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