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Clijsters vs Sharapova: Statistically God-Awful!

Statistics aren't everything. For one thing, Clijsters' defense is so good that it forces opponents to go for more and more, often resulting in outsized numbers of UEs. However, that doesn't explain some of the other statistical oddities of this match.
  • Sharapova only winning 49% of the points on her FIRST serve!?!? Was she injured or something?
  • Clijsters herself having 30 UEs?
........................Clijsters..........Sharapova

Winners (inc svc)..............10.................18
Unforced Errors................30.................34
Total Points Won...............75.................64

Break Conversions...06 of 12 = 50%.....04 of 08 = 50%
Net Approaches .....07 of 09 = 78%.....08 of 17 = 47%

1st Serve %....................67%............... 62%
1st Serve Win %.....25 of 42 = 60%.....23 of 47 = 49%
2nd Serve Win %.....11 of 21 = 52%.....14 of 29 = 48%

Fastest Serve Speed........106 MPH............107 MPH
Average Serve Speed.........99 MPH.............97 MPH

Aces.............................0..................1
Double Faults....................1..................3


I am also forced to point out that, if the statistics of the Venus vs Serena match had looked like this, we'd have had to endure 57 threads on how awful it was. It's likely though, that this just isn't a matchup that brings out the best in the other player. It certainly didn't this time.

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Have you seen the match? Have you seen how windy it was?
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The thing is they don't make a difference between forced and unforced errors! When will they adapt stats and divide those two...

And yes Maria's 1st serve % was awful

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Champions find ways to figure out the conditions and win not come up with excuses.

Sure it was ugly as hell but the better player won.

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Have you seen the match? Have you seen how windy it was?
There's a reason I started off the thread with 'Statistics aren't everything'. OTOH, we've been watching high wind matches all month, here and at IW. They don't all look like that.

However, having played in high wind, I certainly understand the difficulties players accustomed to aiming right at things must have. The bal doesn't stand still to be hit, or go where it's aimed.

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The thing is they don't make a difference between forced and unforced errors! When will they adapt stats and divide those two...
They try. They just don't do a great job.

Sharapova 18 winners and Kim's 30 UEs only account from 48 of Sharapova's 64 points.

Clijsters' 10 winners and Sharapova's 34 UEs only account for 44 of Clijster's 75 points.

Theoretically, that leaves....

........................Clijsters..........Sharapova
Winners (inc svc)..............10.................18
Unforced Errors................30.................34

Forced Errors..................16.................31

Total Points Won...............75.................64

Theoretically.

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Certainly the windy conditions are not going to give you impeccable tennis strokes. Kim adjusted to the conditions much better than Maria..who was so frustrated that her shot selections were really "dumb" at times. Kim's superior athleticism certainly helped....that retrieval she made after Maria hit a screamer at her and it fell in for a winner was "unbelievable" shot of the century!! Kudos to Kim for a well deserved win!


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Both players had the same conditions to cope with. I lost a match earlier today due to the wind, but I didn't cope with it how I should have.

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The wind doesn't account for the total of 12 breaks of serve because most of those break points were dumped into the net.


Volcana, you are so right. If the sisters posted stats like this, wind or not, some on ths board would be howling about how bad the match was.
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Please, we've seen far, far worse stats than those.
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The wind doesn't account for the total of 12 breaks of serve because most of those break points were dumped into the net.


Volcana, you are so right. If the sisters posted stats like this, wind or not, some on ths board would be howling about how bad the match was.

When some posters complain that people always bring the Williams sisters into things remember that Williams fans do it too.

I think if it hadn't been so windy both players would have made fewer errors but that doesn't mean Kim still wouldn't have won.
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statwise the match is deadawful, I agree...

but I saw the match, and next to fact that it was windy, for the both... I think quality-wise, speaking of tennis. it was a good match! there were a couple of mishits here and there, but most of the errors either game on a service return, or one of the two trying to do something 'extra' in the rally.
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The wind was everything! Kim MIGHT have won still if it had been a hot, windless day......but I don't think so.

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Break Conversions...06 of 12 = 50%.....06 of 12 = 50%
This must be wrong, how come they had the same breaks?

Just checked the nasdaq website, Maria has 4 of 8 = 50 %.
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This must be wrong, how come they had the same breaks?

Just checked the nasdaq website, Maria has 4 of 8 = 50 %.
Bad cut-and-paste on my part. Thanx for catching that. Always appreciate help.

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