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The Ranking Thread To End All Other Ranking Threads

To those on this board pissing and moaning (again) about the rankings, and ranking system: this is YOUR forum to devise a surefire 100% fair, equitable, and just system for the rankings for the Sanex Women's Tennis Association. I would be more than honored to be presented with the most superior and stellar ranking system, and in turn, I would feel compelled to call, email, write, fax, hand-deliver, or courier said suggestion personally to the WTA.

Please include all formulas as far as round points for each Tier event, quality points, minimum event classification, and the turnaround time for said points (this is currently 52 weeks).

So, here is your forum, let's see you back up all your complaining about the rankings and devise the PERFECT solution.....

Let the competition begin.
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post #2 of 37 (permalink) Old Mar 31st, 2002, 11:02 PM
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Two answer your question, a perfect ranking system is one shows one of the following:

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Number 1: Venus Williams
Number 2: Serena Williams

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Number 1: Serena Williams
Number 2: Venus Williams
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Nobody else?.... Where's all the complainers?
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Ironic isn't it? Finally there's a thread specifically made to talk about this BS and no one wants a part of it. Honestly some people are jsut whingers
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A perfect ranking system would be where Quality and Quantity are represented EQUALLY.
& not JUST to boost the sales of tickets for the Wta.

14 tournies a year.
This way, the fans would get QUALITY tennis, because the tennis players would be rested, and guess what, 99 of 100 players wouldn't be injured at the end of the year!
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why don't they just rank the players alphabetically?
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I think the system is fine the way it is. Having a set number of tournaments helps give incentive for the players to play more and thus to support the tour. The players dont have to but then there ranking suffers so i think its a good system. If you want to be ranked higher either play more or just win every tournament if you have like ten on your schedule.
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why don't they just rank the players alphabetically?
Alphabetically in reverse. Start w/Z end w/A.
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Alphabetically in reverse. Start w/Z end w/A.
Natasha Zvervra (sp?) could return to the tour as #1.
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Alphabetically in reverse. Start w/Z end w/A.
Darn. Looks like my Cappy is gonna slip back down to #267

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So, are we settling for Inverted Alphabetically?
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post #12 of 37 (permalink) Old Apr 1st, 2002, 09:55 PM
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I have a nice little rankings system that I find to be "fair" from year to year.


The best 12 events count.
It rewards quality over quantity by giving points out as follows.

100% for a win
40% for a final.
20% for a semi
10 % for a quarter
05 % for the round before a quarter.
No points earned for a first round loss.



Slams are worth 520 for a winner.
WTA finals 210
Tier 1's with draws of 56 70(80 if fields are strong, 90 for
Miami)
Tier 2's 60
Tiers 3-5 20(30 if field is very strong)


No bonus points. The big advantage of this would be increased tension as the finals approach. It rewards consistency well enough, but you'll never get a slamless #1,the worst scenario IMO.
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i think the ranking system is pretty just however i do think players shouldnt lose as many points for not defending points, as it almost becomes punishing players for the good results of a previous year. So maybe less on that if poss, but hewy that's just my opinion. For eg. if Venus and Capriati have identicle clay seasons Venus will get more points becoz she didnt do well last year..maybe not quite fair..??
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Personally I don't like systems that only count 12-14 tournaments.

its ONLY at 17 right now - which really isn't asking all the much, considering the season is about 40 weeks long.

asking them to play about 25 weeks of the year, is NOT to much IMO.

MOST won't even be playing that much, as only a handful always reach the latter stages of a tournament.

THe more the top players play, the more the tournament benefits. people keep going on and on about how great womens tennis is, and how its full of personality - what the hell good is that if your top players are only going to play against each other maybe 6 tournaments a year?

If htye only have to play 12 tournaments, the top players will meet in the slams, and a couple other tournaments.

They should be encouraged to play, so they meet up against each other. Otherwise the marketting for all these great rivalries will be rubbish, cause you can't have a rivalry if you only play against each other once or twice a year.

Basketball, Hockey - they play 80 or so games a year, do they not? SO is it really too much to ask tennis players to schedule wisely so they they can play 65?
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to be fair, i think that a lot of the people who criticised the ranking system genuinely didn't understand how it worked. all they saw was their player mowing down everyone in her path and still remaining ranked way too low. to them the system was unfair and illegitimate.

now that venus has ascended to the throne, it will silence a great deal of such criticism. it already has! the fact of venus' ascent highlighted unequivocally that the current system can and does work. it rewards consistency, yes, so if venus continues to play consistently, she will consistently be rewarded. i can live with that. can't you?
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