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It's The Forehand Stupid!

If the girl isn't going to get a new coach and fix that forehand and serve these are the results she's going to get. I don't think Venus played bad, at times I was very impressed. It's the unforced errors thats killing her. This game really reminded me of when Venus played Lindsey Davenport at last years US Open the forehand always lets Venus down.
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If the girl isn't going to get a new coach and fix that forehand and serve these are the results she's going to get. I don't think Venus played bad, at times I was very impressed. It's the unforced errors thats killing her. This game really reminded me of when Venus played Lindsey Davenport at last years US Open the forehand always lets Venus down.

She is going to play Fed Cup. Maybe she will work with BJK and ZG on it there.
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her serve was fine... it was great. It's the forehand. But either you have it or you don't and Venus doesn't. She's 25...no more time to improve. Look at Dementieva, she's been trying to improve the serve but it ain't happening. Same with Venus' forehand
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her serve was fine... it was great. It's the forehand. But either you have it or you don't and Venus doesn't. She's 25...no more time to improve. Look at Dementieva, she's been trying to improve the serve but it ain't happening. Same with Venus' forehand
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So let me get this right... if you are 25 or older you cannnot improve. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. So all of us over 25, we should stop playing tennis,(hell maybe even kill ourselves off) since we have no hope of improving. Whatever.......

With some new coaching, Venus could completely correct her forehand problems easily.
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lol..people have been talking about Venus' weak forehand for years. If she hasn't fixed it by now, she never will. It's all in the head and Venus simply is conditioned to falter when her forehand is pressured. That's why Maria was so smart to pick on the forehand.
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I think it will be hard for Venus to correct her forehand entirely. That technique is deeply ingrained and it is likely she will revert to it always under pressure.

But, Kim has changed her backhand slightly, so I'm sure Venus can do something with the forehand too.

But, over the years we've seen players with glaring weaknesses in their games thinking they could fix them, yet they don't fix them. There must be a reason for it.
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If the girl isn't going to get a new coach and fix that forehand and serve these are the results she's going to get. I don't think Venus played bad, at times I was very impressed. It's the unforced errors thats killing her. This game really reminded me of when Venus played Lindsey Davenport at last years US Open the forehand always lets Venus down.
I agree, Venus made to many mistakes on her forehand, but I think a lot was forced by Maria as well !! and that last game was a repeat of the match against LIndsay last year, no break points until the last game !!

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her serve was fine... it was great. It's the forehand. But either you have it or you don't and Venus doesn't. She's 25...no more time to improve....
There's some truth to what you're saying, nysaga. Yes, it's best to simply "have" the shot, and to shore up your weaknesses by 25. And yes, a complete retooling of any stroke is difficult to near impossible once the player hits his/her 20s. But, if we aim instead for an enhancement of Venus' positioning, body mechanics, and attitude when she hits the forehand, then we've got ourselves a very acheivable goal, here.

It's been done before. Several times.

Folks use Henin's revamping of her serve in 2002-3 as an example, but that's a little unfair (for several reasons). It's probably best to look at how Steffi, in the mid-90s, slowly turned her slice backhand into a harder hit, skidding, more offensive shot. Or, even better, look to how Venus altered her own forehand in 2000. There's no real solid reason to think that Venus cannot improve her forehand.

The thing, though, is that improving a stroke takes substantial repetition and an almost compulsive practice schedule, neither of which Venus of the past seemed inclined to do for more than a few months out of the year. That won't cut it. And I pray she's changed in that regard for the better.

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her serve was fine... it was great. It's the forehand. But either you have it or you don't and Venus doesn't. She's 25...no more time to improve. Look at Dementieva, she's been trying to improve the serve but it ain't happening. Same with Venus' forehand
Its never too late until you retire. She has to WANT to change.

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For the last four years, the forehand has been the difference between Serena and Venus's games. Serena's forehand is a major weapon while Venus's has gotten more and more shaky. If Venus had a real tennis coach, she COULD still improve her forehand technique.
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I thought that her serve was great! Her 2nd serves looked o.k. & she was hitting some great 1st serves @ high percentage. She was playing one of the best returners & still did reasonably well with her serve. Her forehand let her down in a few places but Sharapova forced alot of it to break down.

I think her FH has improved since the Aus. Open. Especially in that last game, she was going for it in some of those great rallies and was doing much better. Sharapova was just too good today. Like someone said in another thread-- Against any other player on an average day, Venus would have easily won. I def. think that she is going in the right direction with the serve. A little more work on the FH and she should be ready to play with the top players again.
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I agree, Venus made to many mistakes on her forehand, but I think a lot was forced by Maria as well !! and that last game was a repeat of the match against LIndsay last year, no break points until the last game !!
ok maybe we didnt see the same match or something............the reason maria held serve so easily is b/c venus missed so many returns.......so so many.........venus had more winners in both sets.........and in reality several of those break pts. were her pts. to win and she came up with the error.......maria cant play much better than she did today and venus can play a whole lot better so it will be interesting to see if they play again this year!
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No, Maria played really really really really well, just as she did for two and a half sets against Henin-Hardenne. Venus at her peak wouldn't have won today.

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ok maybe we didnt see the same match or something............the reason maria held serve so easily is b/c venus missed so many returns.......so so many.........venus had more winners in both sets.........and in reality several of those break pts. were her pts. to win and she came up with the error.......maria cant play much better than she did today and venus can play a whole lot better so it will be interesting to see if they play again this year!
Correction: Venus played well. Venus had just two more UFEs than winners. You can't even begin or begin to hint that Venus didn't play well. Venus played very VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well and still lost. Venus had five aces to just 1 double fault (her serve was working beautifully.) Venus had just 24 UFEs in 19 games. That's not bad at all (22 winners.) Venus came into net often. Venus played well, but just lost. Get over it.

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