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Equal Prize Money for women/men??

my thoughts on this are, if the women worried a little bit more about the 70 percent less prize money they have on their own tour compared to what the ATP offers at its regular events, instead of always complaining about the 1 percent less money that the women get at Wimby and RG, the women might start making a lot more money. (what they did in Dubai today, doubling the money to match the men's, is obviously a good step).

Mens Masters Series winners get like 400,000$ for a title, while the top prize at WTA Tier 1 showcase tournies like Zurich, Charleston, Montreal/Toronto, Berlin, and Rome (where the men make TWICE as much the previous week at the same venue!!) is less than 200,000$. How come the women seem to have no issues with that huge differential when they are splitting hairs over the tiny fraction more that the men get at Grand Slams?

Is there anybody who can explain this to me?

(same thread posted in MTF)
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Because the WTA and the ATP are 2 independant associations. While both men and women at Slams are both ITF events.
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my thoughts on this are, if the women worried a little bit more about the 70 percent less prize money they have on their own tour compared to what the ATP offers at its regular events, instead of always complaining about the 1 percent less money that the women get at Wimby and RG, the women might start making a lot more money. (what they did in Dubai today, doubling the money to match the men's, is obviously a good step).

Mens Masters Series winners get like 400,000$ for a title, while the top prize at WTA Tier 1 showcase tournies like Zurich, Charleston, Montreal/Toronto, Berlin, and Rome (where the men make TWICE as much the previous week at the same venue!!) is less than 200,000$. How come the women seem to have no issues with that huge differential when they are splitting hairs over the tiny fraction more that the men get at Grand Slams?

Is there anybody who can explain this to me?

(same thread posted in MTF)
I totally agree. GS prize money are okay like they are right now, but the others WTA tounaments should really be more similar to the men's tour. This is why, if you look the prize money rankings and compare men and women, in the men's there are so much more money.

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what, slams have almost equal prize money?

i never knew this!

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not only that, but there are three tournies a week for 14 (i think) weeks each year in the mens tour, each giving out much more than tier III and IVs, while the women have only about 4 "mega-weeks" in which tons of players get cash like that, and it's mostly lower tiers.
the men's top "challengers" are 125K, that's tier level on the WTA!!!
crazy.

then again - I think the top ten in women are all much more hyped media-wise, so they have chances for money in different directions...

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But still, the reason why players complain about Slams is that it's the same organisation who direct both tournaments.

As for WTA and ATP tournaments... It's like saying Toshiba employees should complain because Sony employees are making more. If WTA players feel they're not making enough money, then they should complain to the WTA, but there's no point comparing to men.

look at it like this - suppose you and your cousin work two days a week at the same gourmet grocery store, and your cousin is making 19 bucks an hour and you are making 18.75.

Now suppose that four other days a week, you and your cousin also wash cars, at two different locations, but it's the same customers who come to both places, on alternating weeks to get their cars washed. For this work, your cousin is making 15 bucks an hour, but you are only making 6 and a quarter. In other words, you don't work for the same company, but you do the same work for the same customers, even though you are making FAR less money than your cousin.

Which situation would you spend your energy trying to fix?
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Some of the comments on the men's tennis forum on this subject are right out of the stone age...

The virulent sexism in some of those comments... for shame!
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Some of the comments on the men's tennis forum on this subject are right out of the stone age...

The virulent sexism in some of those comments... for shame!
Like which ones? I skimmed the thread and wasn't very offended. Most of them seemed to focus on the business side of tennis - if the men bring in more money, they should get paid more is the reasoning. Of course, that point might be debatable, but the premise isn't necessarily sexist.
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Equal prize money should definitely be offered, when it concerns events which are sanctioned by one governing body (i.e. ITF); or tournaments operating under the auspices of marketing both men and women together, equally.

Equal money at ALL the other events seems unlikely. The WTA and ATP are two separate tours, with their own financial structure and system. Events solely sanctioned by each respective tour can hardly be compared in the same financial light. This is not even about whether women's or men's tennis is better . The ATP has been aroung longer; the world is still male-dominated (sadly), especially in the business world (sponsors); so it stands to reason, the men do make more on their tour. Whether they deserve it is another question altogether...

The WTA should concentrate on increasing the level of money offered on their tour, at all levels. With the financial stability of having a long-term, title tour sponsor; and perhaps increased support from existing and new corporate sponsorship; the WTA can certainly stop this stagnation in prize money that we've seen for the past 6-7 years.
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Like which ones? I skimmed the thread and wasn't very offended. Most of them seemed to focus on the business side of tennis - if the men bring in more money, they should get paid more is the reasoning. Of course, that point might be debatable, but the premise isn't necessarily sexist.
Sorry, that was just my perception. I understand some of them were arguing the business aspects of this subject; but the evident disgust and disdain some of them have towards the WTA, and female tennis players, pervaded many of their posts. Again, this is simply my observation.
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I am always for women getting equal prize money. no-one asks them to play longer? they are just as entertaining, often moreso. imagine wimbledon or Roland Garros without the women players...pretty boring, no?

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