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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old Dec 28th, 2001, 06:34 AM Thread Starter
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Explain this please.

A player plays in 12 tournaments;<br />Wins six of these events;<br />Captures Wimbledon for the second year in a row;<br />Captures U.S. Open for the second year in the row; <br />Defeats Capriatti three straight times;<br />But, Cappy gets the Female Athlete of the Year Award! <img src="graemlins/firey.gif" border="0" alt="[Fiery]" />

I guess some people want VENUS to win 4 GS titles before they are willing to admit that she had a decent year. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

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Capriati got female of the year over Venus, entirely for being "the comeback kid".

She came from NO WHERE to be the second best player on tour this year (IMO...some may say 3rd best).

Thus, that will prompt some people to credit her for coming back from personal problems, as she did.

Though, I have a feeling oyu already knew that, and just wanted to point out Venus had better results. Which, most of us already knew.
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The shock factor of her success with the fact she was once brilliant and has now returned to her former brilliance has won her these awards.

If the same results happened in 2002 Venus would prabably win it .... ?

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I would say getting flogged in the AO Semi's and embarassed at the french sealed Miss Williams place
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Well, ahem, putting my 'contentious' hat on (making sure it covers my face!), Venus fans have a lot to do with her not winning it. For this reason.

You were all so confident that she would Vee-peat at Wimbledon and Flushing Meadows that when she did, no-one was even remotely surprised. Every one was like 'Big Deal'. But it was a big deal. A fantastic achievment parallel with what Jen achieved to come from - what she, #12? - to win back-to-back Slams.

Both incredible feats. Only difference being that in Jan 2001, no Jen fan with a mortgage to wager would even hope that Jen might do that. Whereas every Venus fan expected her to repeat the way she did.

Plus of course most of the media had their faces up Jen's behind for the whole year. This will change next year, incidentally.

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It is hardly surprising... the media wanted Jennifer to win it <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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I'm wondrin if Venus wins FO, her fans would demand " Greatest Player of all time award"

Capriati deserves the award, just my opinion!!!
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The main reason why I think Jennifer usurped Venus:

JENNIFER:

Rank in 2001: 2<br />Highest Rank in 2001: 1

AO: W<br />FO: W<br />WC: SF<br />US: SF

VENUS:

Rank in 2001: 3<br />Highest Rank in 2001: 2

AO: SF<br />FO: 1R<br />WC: W<br />US: W

A very marginal victory considering Venus won more titles and had a winning head-to-head.

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Well TeeRexx, maybe it might be that you have to do twice as much to be considered just as good, I dunno. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Anyway, I say congrats to Jennifer on ALL her numerous awards. Regardless of her year end melt down, she had a great run, and edged out Venus, because everybody, especially the media, loves a comeback story.

But as I read recently, "Rankings be damned" (awards too,) "Venus is still the best in the biz" and she is still the player everyone, including Serena, must beat in 2002.

So, while we can question the legitimacy of some things, I say<br />2001 IS OVER!!! LET'S BRING ON 2002!!!

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Nuff said Jovon! I agree! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

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[quote] But as I read recently, "Rankings be damned" (awards too,) "Venus is still the best in the biz" and she is still the player everyone, including Serena, must beat in 2002.

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I figure there are a few primary factors:

1) Venus had a great year last year. She got many athlete of the year awards for 2000, and thus had already done it, whereas Jen was a "new" candidate.

2) The "slams-only" focus of the media. Jen did better at the only 4 tournaments many pay any attention to.

3) Jen was a comeback story, whereas Venus was already an elite player who was expected to win a slam or so.

4) Many in the media (especially the tennis media), don't like Venus. Whether it's because of her physical gifts, her father, her race, her aggressive style (demolishing the passive play they desire from women), or, most importantly, her contribution to the increased popularity and exposure for the women's tour.
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Good points, Brian.<br />Also, the media loves to build one up in order to tear them down at a later, more opportune time.

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Anakin, As a wise man once said...Its all subjective. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

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