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Serena: Changing of the ....

There's only stats from the WIlliams-Mauresmo match really jump out at me are Serena's serving stats.

Williams fastest serve speed 193 km/h = 119 mph
Williams avg 1st serve speed 162 km/h = 100.66 mph
Williams avg 2nd serve speed 130 km/h = _80.77 mph


Williams win% on 1st serve 67%
Williams win% on 2nd serve 86%

She didn't serve nearly as hard as Petrova in her last match, even though she's capable of it. Her average first AND second serve speeds were slower than Amelie's in this match. But even in the three-set Petrova match, Serena won more points by double digits.

I think, finally, at long last, Serena has finally figured out the truth. She can just get into the point, and beat players by rallying. She doesn't have to blow them off the court. She's BETTER off the ground than almost anyone on tour. If her legs are right, I'd say ANYONE. She doesn't swing a smooth as Lindsay (who does), but she's so much faster, so she's usually in better position to hit. I'd seen inklings that Serena has gotten the hang of this. But the last two matches were convincing.

Amelie failed to make this match competitive. But Serena had 23 winners to only 15 UEs. I Loved her, in a perverse sort of way, but 'Wild Thing' is dead.

Maybe, just maybe, Serena has finally figured out she doesn't HAVE to overpower the opponents. She's more skiiled than they are. The only shot she lacks is a forehand slice.

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I agree. Serena does possess a lot of power. But today she stayed calm..and only went for winners when it was a sure thing.

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I guess I liked it too, but I like to see more heat on her serves, but she brought the heat when she needed it.
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I think both players cam into the match determined not to use up so much energy, they were rather subdued in the entire match. It was scorching hot on centre court and probably expectd a much longer match.

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I think both players cam into the match determined not to use up so much energy, they were rather subdued in the entire match. It was scorching hot on centre court and probably expectd a much longer match.
Yeah, I was really surprised that the commentators weren't saying anything about Serena's more subdued serves. It was nagging the hell out of me, because at first I thought she had entered the match in one of her lackluster moods.
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Yeah, I was really surprised that the commentators weren't saying anything about Serena's more subdued serves. It was nagging the hell out of me, because at first I thought she had entered the match in one of her lackluster moods.
IN the middle of the second set they noted it. In fact, Cleff Drysedale pointed out that Serena had said after her last match that she needed to get her first serve percentage way up.

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She also knows that the return is Amelie's weakest shot, even when she's not brain-dead like today, and so Serena smartly decided she could take something off her first serve. She'll probably have to serve with more heat against great returners like Sharapova and Davenport.
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...Maybe, just maybe, Serena has finally figured out she doesn't HAVE to overpower the opponents.
Huh! It took you an awful of a long time to notice it. Look at my signature down below and check what she said back in 2002.

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IN the middle of the second set they noted it. In fact, Cleff Drysedale pointed out that Serena had said after her last match that she needed to get her first serve percentage way up.
I heard that, but they never mentioned (at least I don't remember) anything about how slow her serves were or how little leg she was putting into them. Even when she served that 70mph second serve that Amelie miss hit, they never said anything about it being so slow.
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It's actually similar to how Serena was playing during the clay court season two years ago when she won the FO. Her angles were better back then but her touch shots (lob, drop shot, slice) seem to better now, imo.
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I heard that, but they never mentioned (at least I don't remember) anything about how slow her serves were or how little leg she was putting into them. Even when she served that 70mph second serve that Amelie miss hit, they never said anything about it being so slow.
I know they mentioned Amelie whiffing on a 75 mph seond serve. And it seems to me, Serena was using a good deal of knee bend in her serve. She simply wasn't trying to hit hard. Her fastest was 119 mph, which is pretty smokin'.

Maybe you were at the 'fridge when they discussed it?

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I know they mentioned Amelie whiffing on a 75 mph seond serve. And it seems to me, Serena was using a good deal of knee bend in her serve. She simply wasn't trying to hit hard. Her fastest was 119 mph, which is pretty smokin'.

Maybe you were at the 'fridge when they discussed it?
Well, yeah that's what I'm talking about. They said Amelie choked on that 75mph serve, but that was about it. She was using knee bends, but she wasn't jumping into the serve like she usually does. I said earlier, she came with the heat when she had to, e.g. 119mph serve, but other than that, she was pretty much taking it really easy, especially in the first set.
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Maybe, just maybe, Serena has finally figured out she doesn't HAVE to overpower the opponents. She's more skiiled than they are. The only shot she lacks is a forehand slice.
The only shot? Are you kidding me?

Serving aside, the only shots I've seen Serena hit with any proficiency are the backhand drive (top or flat) and the forehand drive (mainly flat). That's it.

She may attempt other shots from time to time - topspin forehand, drop shots, slices, lobs, chips, half-volleys, volleys. But, she has yet to show that she's mastered the technique for any of these shots. Even worse, she attempts them without any idea of their strategic value.

You make her sound like she is Roger Federer. When is the last time Serena ran around her backhand to hit a dtl forehand from the backhand corner? Doesn't have that shot either? Huh?
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Maybe Serena has not had to run around her forehand. Most of the time, people run around their backhand because their backhands are generally not their strongest shots. Mrs Agassi used to run around her backhand, because it never got the job done as the legendary forehand!

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Serena can do everything well, everything. That is why she is still (IMHO) the best player out there. Her problem is that she doesn't use all her variety consistently. She still thinks of herself as a power player when things get tight. Today she had no pressure on her, so she stayed calm, hit side to side, and waited to hit the winner. Will she do that against Sharapova, if Sharpie stays with her? I don't think so.

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